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The Duke of WELLINGTON :~My Lords, I am aware of the distress of the labouring having voted against a similar, motion in the poor? but I want to know in what manner last Session, it is not my intention to vote for Government can interfere 'so as to procure the inquiry now, proposed by the nuble and a remedy for the condition of the poor? learned Lord. I am perfectly aware of the In what way could the last or even the present difficulties and dangers in which the country administrativo remedy the administration of is placed. It is not any intention, and it never the poor-laws, except by precepts such as has been my desire, to extenuate any of thein ; those inculcated in the documents which I but I challenge the noble Earl who accuses bave heard this night ridiculed, and hy the the late Administration to come to an iuquiry example of each in his own particular station. upon any part of the conduct of that Adminis- Legislation on this subject has gone as far as tration, to which he attributes the difficulties legislation can go. Mischief arises from the and dangers of the country, and from which mal-administration of the poor-laws by perhe declares that they proceed. I object to sops who are beyond the control of the Gothe inquiry in this Session, as I did in the vernment of the couutry. I am aware, my last year, for precisely the same reasons, and Lords, that it has been whispered about that or the very reasons stated by the noble Earl. we were not sufficiently attentive to the disThis inquiry, as proposed by the noble and turbances when they first occurred. My Lords, learned Lord, is to extend tu the finances of from the first moment they occurred the greatthe country to the system of administering est attention was paid to them by the Governand executing the laws--to the state of the ment. All possible means were adopted to commercial and manufacturing interests- enable the magistrates to get rid of them. and, as the noble Earl observed, even to ma- Government cannot interfere in the details of chiuery. Now, my Lords, it is impossible you justice, which must be administered by the can have an Inquiry on all these subjects, with magistrates. It is the business of Governout exciting expectations, and involving the ment to aid the magistrates with counsel, and country in difficulties and dangers ten iimes with sufficient force (whenever force may be greater than those under which it at pre- unfortunately pecessary); but they cannot sent suffers., Jo addition to these reasons, interfere in the details. I know, my Lords, it is not just towards the Administration who that it is whispered by our enemies, that we bave so lately taken upon themselves the did not sufficiently attend to the disturbances conduct of affairs, that I should seek to in- in the country; but I do declare, that from the volve them in difficulties in wbich l, mysell, first momeut I received an intimation of them objected to be involved last Session. (Hear, from ny noble Friend, the Lord Lieutenant hear.) Besides, there is already a Com- of Kent (and I believe the circumstatices mittee sittiog above stairs for the purpose of were mentioned to me before any other of inquiring into the poor-laws, which can enter his Majesty's servants), every-ihing was upon many of the points urged by the noble dove to get the better of them. The noble and learned Lord. That point particularly as Earl bas been pleased to call for vengeance to levyiog rates from manufacturing property, on us. He laid all the distress and disas well as from the land, would, I imagine, turbance of the country to our cliarge. come under their attention, together with Afterwards he referred these calamities to many other poigts referred to by the poble and the mal-administration of the last 50 years, learned Lord, to which I shall pot advert from which he seemed at least in part to charge the lateness of the hour, but into wbich the upon my noble and learned Friend on the Committee will undoubtedly enter, as they will cross benches. He certainly has as much as into that point I have mentioned. My Lords, I to do with it. (Heat, and a laugh.) Until as I said before, I do not wish to extenuate the occurrence of the misfortunes abroad in the dangers and difficulties of the conntry; the months of July and August, all was tranbut I must say that the dangers and difficulo quil here; but since these misfortunes took ties of the country did not originate from any place, and the lower classes here were taught thing that was done by the late Administra- to think they should follow the bad examples tion. They originated from the difficulties of neighbouring nations, while they were not abroad, and the example, the bad example, made aware or the evils which tlie people of given by neighbouring countries, and from these countries had brought on themselves, the misrepresentations that went forth, and difficulties and dangers have existed, and

the false ideas that were entertained respect: have been increased. During 'our Adminis-
ing what had passed in these countries, and stration, we did all we could to relieve the
from the yant of knowledge bece of the mis- people. lo last Session three millions nine
chief brought on these countries' by 'mis- hundred thousand pounds worth of taxation
fortunes which had occurred in the course of was taken off; and since, the commercial and
the last few months. The noble Earl attri- maoufacturing interests of the country gene-
butes them to us; but I challeuge him to say rally, were in a state of prosperity and tran-
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does he tind fault? How could we have were gross and disgraceful disturbances. My acted otherwise than we did I challenge Lords, I have, in consequence df. the atrack of him to come forward, let him briug bis charge, the noble Earl, trespassed longer on your and I sball be ready to answer it. (Hear, hear.) attention than I otherwise would bave done,


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or than I trust I shall again find neces-| " rated upon the best mode of taking
The Earl of Eudox observed, that the greates

votes, the ballot was adopted. When consolation to bim in his long career was, that

the hon. and learned Member ventured ke had always been opposed to the noble Earle Lo impugn the integrity of men as The Motion was not agreed to. " donourable as hinsself, and as attached

to liberty, he arrogated to hiniself HOUSE OF COMMONS. a license to which he had no title: REFORM-BALLOT. Mr. O'Connell

" (Cheers.) For his part, he (Sir R. Wilpresented three petitions for Reform in “son) had, throughout his life, done Parliament, and he took occasion to

" quite as much as the learned Gentlesay, that, without the Ballot, it was im; man for the advancement of freedom; possible to prevent members being no- such accusations, which applied to

" and he, therefore, could not suffer minated by the House of Lords, in the present state of the country; and that

“ himself, to pass unanswered. 1. While he could not believe that that mode of " he had the honour of a sent in that voting would be opposed by any but House, he would not allow any genthose who desired the influence of the

“ tleman's reproaches to daunt him, nor Aristocracy over the votes of the peo- in the discharge of his daty. Cheers,

" would he suffer any man to direct him ple. Whereupon « Sir ROBERT Wilson rose with con

and hear, hear.) He wouid be influ”siderable vehemence. He felt it impe

"enced only by a conscientious regard “ rative upon him to contradict the asser

“ for the interests of his constituents. "tion of the hon. and learned Member

« (Hear.) " who had imputed bad motives to all

Never mind America, Robert, look at " who did not profess to hold the same

France, Robert. And when the ballotis " opinions with himself (Mr. O'Connell). adoptel in England, you will not see one " That learned Gentlenian bad chosen single hypocrite patriot” in that place, " to denounce as insincere and dishonest Robert. "A Mr. Ruthyen very sarcasti " the avowed opinions of men whose cally told you that you need not put “ whole public lives had proved their yourself in such a pet, and he tweaked * integrity to be quite equal to that of your ear for not being in the Honse " the Member for Waterford himself. when the division came on which bon “ The Ballot was opposed by gentle- dled out the late Ministry. Ah! Ro “ inen who had come into that House bert. : with the sanction of their constituents

COMMENDAM. -LordAlthorp “ for that opposition. In the House nounced that the Ministers had advised they did no more than to maintain

the King to abstain fronu issuing the " the opinions which they had professed

instrument required for the purpose “out of it. (Hear, hear.) It was well

of suffering Dr. Phillpots to hold a be * known that in the United States of living of Stanhope together with the " America the ballot had proved to be a

Bishopric of Exeter." deception--a cloak—and


SALARIE&-+-Lord Althorp mosed for “ ment to corruption. By the privacy

a Committee as to inquire what reduc t which it secured, it induced men to sell

“tions can be made in the salaries and * their rotes. (Hear.) The most honour

emoluments of office held during plea* able mien had pronounced the ballot

sure of the s, Crown by Members of “ to be fallacious and injurious; and,

“either House of Parliameut. After at this moment, there was more fraud a long conversation, this was agreed to.

31"*** cu miast bara! E ) practised in those States of America

- Priday, 9th Derember. 4* in which the votes were concealed by * ballot, than in those in which they

Chim aJ HOUSE OF LORDS. A a were given openly. (Ilear.) When Distress otur COUNTAQA"Loft RADNOR

the New States of Mexico were about on presenting a petitioti® from the Vestry of “to institute a republic, and some of ing a reduction of taxes pressing partietis

their wisest and best patriots delibe- upon the poor "und "it'dustrious part of the

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kui teil community, referred to something that had respect, particularly as far as regarded recom

passed last nightop the subject of the neglect mendations to his late Majesty. Ministers
of the distresses of the people by the Adini. had, by law, no right to interfere with mat-
nistration of the Duke of Wellington. The ters of parish detail, which belonged only to
noble Lord had said, that the petition he vow the overseers of the poor. He repeated, that
brought forward had beeo agreed to in June if the noble Lord would make any distinct
last, and upon the authority of a most recharge, he should be ready to meet and to
spectable timber-mercbant, he was able to refute it.
assert that the condition of St. Leonard's, How obstinate this unfortunate Prince
Shoreditch, was most deplorable. The rental has been in verifying my predictions
of the parish was 132,0001., and the prer rates
in June last were 34,0001, 'while the inhabit about him! Step by step he has walked
ants were reduced to the lowest state of de- just where I asked him not to walk, and
moralization by the recklessness occasioned I am sure I warned him in language
by extreme distress. Shopkeepers formerly courteous enough ; I never abused him
taking at the rate of 201. per week did not
even in June last do business to the extent of

I gave him no

coarse language." I 20s, per week. Tbis was a condition that always called him “ Prince” (when I ought to have received the attention of the thought of it), and I exhorted him, for noble Duke and his colleagues, but they had the sake of his name and his pieture, disregarded it, like the distresses of other parts of the kingdom, and the responsibility to mind what he did. If he had taken

of Ministers, was but a word, a mere farce, ir my warnings, he need not now have Fristen they were not punishable for such peglect." If been listening to the scoldings in the

they were ignorant of the fact, their ignorance House, the hissings and hootings out was culpable: if they were not iguoraut of it, of it; he need not have scudded away their apathy was crimival.

The Duke of WELLINGTON called upon the from the people in the very streets, noble Lord in caudour to admit that he had nor have had guards in his dwelling. not last night alluded to St. Leonard's, Shore. But he would not listen ! ditch, nor to any particular parish, nor, in

NEGRO SLAVERY,-Lord NAPIER predeed, to all the parishes of the kingdom put sen ted, a petition against the continuance of together : what the noble Lord had said was, negro slavery, and in doing 50, tuok the opo that the country was in a dangerous and diffi- portunity of referring to the proposition he had cult situation, that the late Administration made or a former uight, that a comunittee of fouod it so, that it was responsible for not their Lordships should go out to the West having relieved it from that situation, and India Islands, in order to furuish the House that it ought to be impeached for its miscor, with the best informasion upon the question duct in this respect. He now again required of negro slavery, before they undertook to the noble Lord to bring forward some distinct legislate upon it. Before be inade that procharge, and to put it in a tangible shape, and position le bad had no communication whatwhen he had done so, he (the Duke of Welling- ever with anybody upon the subject. He had ton) should be most ready to meet, it, and to

Do West India property, he never bad had vindicate the late servants of the Crowa. It was any, and be vever expected to have any; but not because the poble Lord now brought for still he felt interested on the subject, from the ward a petition from Shureditch and supported knowledge of the colouies which his profesit by the assertions of a Dameless person, that isional life had given bim. Since he made the Ministers were to be made responsible for neg proposition to wbich he now referred, he had lect of duty and disregard of the distresses of had communications with different gentlemen the country:

He (the Duke of Wellington) connected with those places, and he found that bad said before, and he repeated vow, that he they much approved of his plan. As there could put aod would not make bimself respon were several noble Lords who strongly supsible for any acts but his own. If he had had ported the question of the manumission of the power of putting inatters to rights, and bad slaves, and vo doubt, whenever the country failed at the proper time to exercise that power, called on them to undertake the duty of going he agreed that he was so far culpable. He out as a committee of inquiry to examine into had had nothing to do with the parish of the subject, they would show their perfect Shoreditch ; and were its situation tweuty readiness to obey the call. He had never once times worse than the puble Lord had described expressed his opinion on the matter, but he it, as be bad nothing to do with the parish would now do so, and would state distinctly, offices, he could not be aaswerable. He was that in his mind slavery in all its brancbes sure that the noble Lurds opposite must feel was a curse, and a heavy curse ; but how to that they could do nothing upon such a sub, remove it was a question which their Lordject. They might subscribe for the partial ships could never learn to auswer properly in relief of distress, and recommend his Majesty this country alone. Their Lordships must to subscribe, but they could do po mure; and remember, ikat tbe colonies were composed he believes it would be fouad, that the late of islands taken from other countries during Ministry bad not failed in its duty in this the war, as well as of thuse which had long

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been in possession of this country; and he " gift of the Crown, stating the value
would defy their Lordships, by any regulatious of each at the present time, and the
they might make bere, to embrace all the
different interests that existed in these various

amount at which cach is rated in the islands... It was impossible they could justly King's books." Mr. Fyler suggested understand all these differences, unless they that this should be extended to all liv. sent out a body of their own

members to go ings; buc Mr. Wellesley was not disposed, there. He was ready, for one, to become a member of that committee; and he was satis. at present, to do any-thing which would fied, that when this appeal was made to those

have the effect of exciting prejudices noble Lords, to whom he had before alluded, agaiust the Hierarchy. It was for that they would come forward and show their “ reason he had limited his return to readiness to give their services in favour of the cause they had so often advocated, or, if

livings in the gift of the Crown." they did not, they must for ever after bold But we must have the whole, sooner or their peace. (Hear, and a laugh.).

later, Mr, Wellesley, whether it be preI am so pleased when I come across

judicial to the Hierarchy or not. A cua piece of common sense, that I cannot

rious reason to give, by-the-by, and one help sticking it in at full length. This that the parsons will hardly thank you is sense as to this subject. Nobody can

for; for, of course, then, it would be a be other than against slavery, whether disclosure that would prejudice them! of whites or blacks; but the question for if it is worse than the people suspect,

They had better bring it out at once, of Negro-slavery, as it comes to our ears here in England, contains. hypo

it must be bad indeed! crisy, falsehood, and impracticability, all

Saturday, 11th December. at the same time, and in a degree asto.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. nishing. In the first place, the fellows

The House met, contrary to custom, are hypocrites that prate about the on this day; but nothing of great consuffering blacks, and see with their own sequence, that I see, occurred, excepting eyes the suffering labouring people of that England with callous hearts. They

THE CHANCELLOR publish lies; I have detected and ex- moved for Returns of the population of all

THE EXCHEQUE posed their deliberate lies. They pre- cities and boroughs in England seading tend to wish for that which is imprac- members to Parliament ; also a Return ticable; for they pretend to want the "he population of all the towns in England -practice of keeping slaves in the West taining 10,000 inhabitants according to the

not sending members to Parliament, and code Indies to be given up, when they know census of 1821 ; and a Return of the popala, that they must either remunerate the tion of all the cities and boroughs in Scotland Planters (which they cannot), or that returning members to Parliament; and a the West Indies must be suffered to Scotland not sending members to Parliament,

Return of the population of all the towas ia transfer itself to Anierica, which it and containing 8,000 inhabitants according would be treason in them to effect. to the census of 1821--Agreed to. The same fellows that are foremost


suppose this is to be the ground. in this, are also foremost in de work of the Reform ; and now we shall nouncing the reformers as wild, vision see the accursed rotten boroughs, the ary, designing! Always mind that source of all the villany, all the peculaAnd it is enough for me to see a man tion, the squandering, and of all the ty sweating and tearing for liberty on ranny that was necessary to keep the ť other side of the world. I observed thing a-going; we shall see these file Wilberforce very early in' my life: al- things destroyed. But we shall not see ways saw him at this; and always saw much done, unless we see the voting by him the deadliest foe of any approach bailot. Look out for that, therefore ; to liberty at home.

and, perhaps, it will not be aniss, HOUSE OF COMMONS.

throughout the discussion, to look to

the notable member for Soatliwark, the Courco.-Nothing iinportanı, except patriotic soldier, as a barometer: when that Mr. Wellesley moved for a." re- his quick-silver is up (as it was about “ turn of all the livings (church) in the the ballot the other night), then aldis


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right; but when it is down, quiescent, ters, Merchants, and others, praying the look to it! No man on earth has facul- House not to take steps towards destroying

their property until it had afforded them comand nose -'no one deceives him. The the slaves than he was, but he could not help House was quite astonished, the other seeing that there were two ways proposed of night, at the life he displayed on Mr. getting rid of slavery in the West Indieso'Cannell's eulogy on the ballot! He other by remunerating the planter for

the one was by popular clamour, and the

loss raved, and then even quitted the House. that he must necessarily sustain. When the He took all that O'Connell had said, as question came to be decided," he should unpointed at 'him. "To be sure !'' all his questionably give his support to the latter of senses told him that Robert Wilson would these ways. So great was the clamour on this

subject throughout the country, that the West not be member for Southwark any longer Iodia Proprietors had no cbauce of having than voting by ballot could be kept off. their cause heard, the most vigorous attempts I an not surprised at his dudgeon, faith! had been made to fetter the Represeotatives

of each borough and county, by a pledge on Monday, 13th December... this subject, and to which uo gentleman

ought to submit. He himself had at once HOUSE OF LORDS.

told his constituents, that though he would LORD GROSVENOR rose to notice some of the vote for the emancipation of the slaves, he new appointments to offices; but he sooo went from the question of compensation to their

could not for a moment disjoin that measure off to the question of the distress of the country, and said, “ If the landed interest were of the West Iodians, he knew that Goveru

With respect to the other interests “ not relieved from some part of the burdens " by which it was borne down, it would be ment was called ou in every direction to make " completely clestroyed; and then, he would reductions, but he nevertheless, trusted that

ask, what other interest could be upbeld? they would be able to afford some conside*** The mouied interest would melt into air. ration to the cause of the West Indies, so as *** It'was indispensable to the welfare of the to, allow its produce to stand a better chance " country that the landed interest should be in the market. The petitiquers whose cause “ maintained. Those who were interested in inquiry; and he, therefore, hoped that the

he was advocating were in no way afraid of “ the land, being attached to the soil, were House, 'aud bis Majesty's Ministers, would "not only of vecessity devoted to preserve the “ institutions of the state, but were unable to

come forward with a plan for the settlement “evade their share of the public burdens of the Slave question, and the general remu

neration of the planters. “ But the movied interest was composed, to Mr. Marriott' complained of the outcry "'a great extent, of persons having no connex. " jon with the country-Jews and Gentiles, agaiust the West-Indian planters, and illus* inbabitants of France, of Rassia, of Ger: trated the outcry by stating that a petition “ many, in a word, of every part of Europe, by a noble Lord on the 4th of November,

against them had been presented to the House “ Asia, Africa, and America, who could at « any time withdraw the money from the traffickers in human flesh to hold seats in

do wbich spoke of the impropriety of sufferiug ** funds, and escape from any share in the *« burdens of this country; or, if they should " seated among the sons of God.” None of

“ that House, where they appeared like Satan " even be inhabitants of England, they might these howling, hypocritical wretches have " lock up their money in that famous box, of seeo English labourers put up to auction then! * which so much had been said in the House None of thein have seen them let at auction for “ on a former cvening, and shelter it from “ those taxes from which the landed interest the day, week, or month ; and, at the expiration “had no means of escaping." This Lord

of the term put up again, and again let: None has, 1 suppose, begun to find out that he is of them have seen or heard of their being, in only a partner in his own estate. I told them default of bidders, employed to do sone des all that they would find it out, sooner or later. grading thing, some harassing thing, as it The estates are being pow as quietly trans

were just to remind them of their horrid ferred from Lords to loan mongers as heart slavery; something wholly, useless, such as could wish ; and this is one of the symptoins and back again, so many times in the day ;

carrying a heavy stone for a certain distance of uneasiness felt by this particular Lord. He flatters himself that what he'calls his, is things, I suppose ? And of their being shut

none of the wretches have heard of these really his! Poor man! he has now only a

good, a pretty, good, stewardship over it up away from their wives? None of them Nothing more important than this was said, ever escaped thein about all this, even though

bave heard of all this? Not one word has in this House, during the rest of the evening. it happens in their own couutry, their own

HOUSE OF COMMONS. parish; under their own noses. No, on the SLAVERY,—The Marquess of CHANDOS pre-coutrary, the meu who are foremost in this septed a petition from the West India Plan- bypocritical howl are the , loudest bawlers

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