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GALES & SEATON'S

Register of Debates in Congress.

TWENTY-SECOND CONGRESS...SECOND SESSION:

FRON DECEMBER 3, 1832, TO MARCH 3, 1833.

DEBATES IN THE SENATE.

FIRST BALLOT.

LIST OF THE MEMBERS.

of the Senate. It would, therefore, be extremely inconMAINE-John Holmes, Peleg Spragne.

venient for him to discharge the duties of the Chair, and NEW HAMPSHIRE-Samuel Bell, Isaac Hill.

he requested that the kind partiality of his friends MASSACHUSETTS—Nathaniel Silshee, Daniel Webster. should be waived on this occasion, and that they would RHODE ISLAND--Nehemiah R. Knight, Asher Robbins. make choice of some other Senator, as presiding officer. CONNECTICUT-Samuel A. Foot, Gideon Tomlinson.

The Senate then proceeded to ballot sor President pro VERMONT--Samuel Prentiss, Horatio Seymour.

tempore as follows: NEW YORK--Charles E. Dudley, Silas Wright, Jr. NEW JERSEY-Mahlon Dickerson, Theodore Freling

Mr. Wuite,

14 huysen.

Foot,

8 PENNSYLVANIA--George M. Dallas, William Wilkins.

TYLER,

3 DELAWARE--John M. Clayton, Arnold Naudain.

Smith,

3 MARYLAND-Ezekiel F. Chambers, Samuel Smith.

BELL, VIRGINIA -John Tyler, William C. Rives.

King, NORTH CAROLINA--Bedford Brown, Wilie P. Mangum.

There being no choice, the Senate proceeded to a se. SOUTH CAROLINA--Stephen D. Miller, John c. cord ballot, which resuljcd, as follows: Calhoun.

Mr. Wute,

15 GEORGIA-George M. Troup, John Forsyth.

TYLER,

9 KENTUCKY-George M. Bibb, Henry Clay.

SMITH, TENNESSEE--Hugh L. White, Felix Grundy.

Foot,

3 OHIO—Thomas Ewing, Benjamin Ruggles.

BELL.,
LOUISIANA—Josiah S. Johnston, George A.Waggaman. ballot the third time, which resulted as follows:

There still being no choice, the Senate proceeded to
INDIANA--William Hendricks, John Tipton.
MISSISSIPPI–George Poindexter, John Black.

Mr. Wute,

16 ILLINOIS-Elias K. Kane, John M. Robinson.

Tyler,

12 ALABAMA--William R. King, Gabriel Moore.

SMITII,

3 MISSOURI--Thomas H. Benton, Alexander Buckner.

Foor,

1 A fourth ballot was then had with the following result: Mı. WHITE,

15 MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1832.

TILER,

15 SMITH,

2 At 12 o'clock, the Senate was called to order by the

The Senate proceeded to a fifth ballot, which resulted Secretary, Mr. LOWRIE, (the VICE PRESIDENT being

as follows: absent, and the President pro tempore, Mr. TAZE- Mr. WHITE,

17 WELL, having resigned his seat in the Senate,) and

Tyler,

14 thirty-two members appearing in their seats, and there

SMITH,

1 being a quorum, Mr. SMITII, of Maryland, moved to pro- The Hon. Hugh L. White, of Tennessee, having receed to the election of President pro tempore, which was ceived a majority of all the votes, was declared duly agreed to.

elected PRESIDENT of the Senate, pro tempore, and being Mr. POINDEXTER said he understood it was the in- conducted to tlie chair by Mr. Tiler, of Virginia, retention of some of his friends to bestow their suffrages on turned his acknowledgments to the Senate, as follows: him for President pro tempore. He desired to state, in “To the members of the Senate, I tender my sincere adrance, that his duties as Senator of the people of Mis- acknowledgments for the distinguished honor conferred sissippi would require his particular attention on the floor | by their vote,

Vol. IX.--1

SENATE.]

Vetoed Bill.--Standing Committees.

{DECEMBER 10, 1832.

“No person, who has been so long a member of this with the Government, and which, in its consequences, and body, could have been selected, who has made the rules from analogy, might not only call for large payments from of its proceedings less an object of his study. This cir- the Treasury, but disturb the great mass of individual accumstance will make my errors more numerous than counts long since finally settled, 1 deemed it my duty to might be anticipated, and will throw me ofiener on the make a more thorough investigation of the subject than it kind indulgence of the Senate.

was possible for me to do previously to the close of your “Whatever my errors may be, I have the consolation of last session. I adopted this course the more readily, from knowing that they can be revised and corrected at the in- the consideration that as the bill contained no appropriastance of any member; and I beg every one to believe, tion, the States which would have been entitled to claim that so far from feeling hurt at the correctness of my de- its benefits could not have received them without the cisions being questioned, it will be matter of gratification, fuller legislation of Congress. that the sense of the Senate may be taken, in every in- The principle which this bill authorizes, varies not stance, when it may be supposed I am mistaken. only from the practice uniformly adopted by many of the

“ Whatever industry and attention can do towards re-accounting officers in the case of individual accounts, moving defects in qualifications, I promise shall be done; and in those of the States finally settled and closed preand I shall take the chair, determined that, in anxious de viously to your last session, but also from that pursued sire to do that which is just towards every member, and under the act of your last session for the adjustment that which will most promote the correct discharge of the and settlement of the claims of the State of South Caroimportant business we may have to performn, I will not be lina. This last act prescribed no particular mode for the exceeded by any who have preceded me.”

allowance of interest, which, therefore, in conformity with On motion, it was ordered that messages communicating the directions of Congress in previous cases, and with the the election of Mr. White as President pro tempore, be uniform practice of the Auditor by whom the account was sent to the House of Representatives, and to the Pre- settled, was computed on the sums expended by the State sident of the United States.

of South Carolina for the use and benefit of the United Messi's. Grundy and FRELINGUUYSEN were appointed States, and which had been repaid to the State, and the on the joint committee, to wait on the President of the payments made by the United States were deducted from United States, and inform him of the readiness of the two the principal sums, exclusive of the interest; thereby Houses to receive from him any communication; and stopping future interest on so much of the principal as

After the usual resolutions respecting the supply of had been reimbursed by the payment. newspapers, &c. the Senate adjourned.

I deem it proper, moreover, to observe, that both under the act of the 5th of August, 1790, and that of uie

12th of February, 1793, authorizing the settlement of the TUESDAY, DECEMBER 4.

accounts between the United States and the individual The sitting to-day was occupied in receiving and read States, arising out of the war of the Revolution, the ining the President's Message, [for which see Appendix] terest on these accounts was computed in conformity with of which 5000 copies were ordered to be printed. the practice already adverted to, and from which the bill

now returned is a departure. WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 5.

With these reasons and considerations, J return the bill

to the Senate. No business of importance was transacted to-day--the

ANDREW JACKSON. Senate remaining in session only a few minutes.

December 6, 1832.

The Message was laid on the table, and ordered to be THURSDAY, DECEMBER 6.

printed. Adjourned to Monday. The President laid before the Senate a communication

MONDAY, DECEMBER 10. from the Setretary of the Treasury, containing the Trea

The PRESIDENT announced to the Senate the apsury report of the stale of the finances, for the year 1832; which was ordered to be printed.

pointment of the following standing committees for the

session: VETOED BILL.

On FOREIGN RELATIONS.--Messrs. Forsyth, King, Bell, The following message was received from the President Mangum, and Tomlinson.

Or FINANCE--Messrs. Smith, Tyler, Silsbee, Jolinston, of the United States:

and Forsyth. Wasnixoton, DECEMBER 6, 1832.

Or COMMERCE--Messrs. King, Dudley, Silsbee, John. To the Scnate of the United States:

ston, and Bibb. I avail myself of this early opportunity to return to the ON MANUFACTURES--Messrs. Dickerson, Clay, Knight, Senate, in which it originated, the bill entitled “An act Miller, and Seymour. providing for the final settlement of the claims of States Os AGRICULTURE-Messrs. Seymour, Brown, Robinfor interest on advances to the United States, made during son, Waggaman, and Foot. the last war," with the reasons which induced me to wi:h- Or MilitanY Affairs--Messrs. Benton, Troup, Kane, hold my approbation, in consequence of, which it has Clayton, and Tipton. failed to become a law.

On The Militia--Messrs. Robinson, Clayton, WaggaThis bill was presented to me for my signature on the man, Clay, and Hendricks. last day of your session, and when I was compelled to On NAVAL AFFAIRS—Messrs. Dallas, Smith, Robbins, consider a variety of other bills of greater urgency to the Webster, and Bibb. public service. It obviously embraced a principle in the On Public Laxns--Messrs. Kane, Tipton, Moore, allowance of interest different from that which had been Holmes, and Prentiss. sanctioncıl by the practice of t!:e accounting officers, or On Private Lanu CLAIMS--Messrs. Poindexter, Nauby the previous legislation of Congress, in regard to ad. dain, Prentiss, Ruggles, and Knight. vances by the States, and without any apparent grounds Os Indian Affairs--Messrs. Troup, Benton, Poinfor the change.

dexter, Wilkins, and Frelinghuysen. Previously to giving my sanction to so great an exten- On Claims--Messrs. Ruggles, Bell, Naudain, Brown, sion of the practice of allowing interest upon accounts and Moore.

DECEMBER 13, 1832.]
Public Lands-Commercial Statements.

(SENATE. Os THE JUDICIARY--Messrs. Wilkins, Webster, Fre- lain; and on the fourth balloting the following was the linghuysen, Grandy, and Mangum.

result: Ox The Post OFFICE AND Post Roads---Messrs. Grun

For the Rev. Mr. Pise,

22 dy, Hill, Ewing, Tomlinson, and Buckner.

Rev. Mr. Russell,

12 Ox ROADS AND Canals--Messrs. Hendricks, Sprague,

Rev. Mr. Harca,

4 Dallas, Hill, and Buckner.

So that the Rev. Mr. Pise was declared to be elected. Os Pensions—Messrs. Foot, Chambers, Dickerson, (He received nineteen votes on the first ballot.) Sprague, and Poindexter.

After the consideration of Executive business, Ox* tae DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-Messrs. Chambers, Adjourned. Tyler, Holmes, Clayton, and Miller. Os THE CONTINGENT Fund-Messrs. Knight, Dudley,

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 12. and Tomlinson.

PUBLIC LANDS. Os EsGROSSED Bills--Messrs. Robbins, Robinson, and Ewing

Mr. CLAY, agreeably to notice, asked and obtained After distributing the various subjects of the Presi- leave to introduce a bill to appropriate, for a limited time, dent's Message to the appropriate committees, and dis- the proceeds of the sales of the public lands in the Uniposing of some minor business, aljourned.

ted States and for granting lands to certain States.

The bill having been read twice, and being before the TUESDAY, DECEMBER 11.

Senate, as in Committee of the whole.

Mr. CLAY said that this bill had been before two PUBLIC LANDS.

committees of the Senate, and that it had been passed at Mr. CLAY rose and said, it would be recollected that the last session by a considerable majority: He thought, during the last session a bill had passed the Senate, which therefore, that there would be no necessity for its referoriginated in the Committee on Manufactures, to appro-ence to any committee at this session. The bill was prepriate, for a limited time, the proceeds arising from the cisely the same as the one which had passed the Senate sales of public lands. At a very late period of the session last year, with the exception of the necessary change in this bill was sent to the other House; and owing, proba- the time when the bill would take effect. If, however, it bly, to that circumstance, and probably to some other was the wish of any Senator that the bill should be referred causes, the bill had not been definitively acted on by he had no objection. He would prefer to have the bill ihat House. Rather, he would say, there had been no made the order for some convenient but not very distant express decision of the House for or against the bill. It day, when it might be taken up and discussed. If agreewas indefinitely postponed. He was desirous of again able to the Senate, he would say the fourth Monday in obtaining the sense of the Senate on-this question, and, this month, or the first Monday in January. Ile did not should it be in accordance with the vote of the last ses- see that it was necessary to send the bill to a committee, son, to afford the other House the opportunity of a more but if any gentleman wished that course to be taken, he full examination and discussion of the bill.

repeated, he should not object to it. He therefore gave notice that he would, to-morrow, Mr. KANE said that it would be recollected that this ask leave to introduce a bill to appropriate for a limited subject had recently been referred to the Committee on time the proceeds of the Public Lands.

the Public Lands, by the reference to that committee of FRENCH SPOLIATIONS.

so much of the President's message as relates to the public Mr. WILKINS, pursuant to notice, asked and obtain- had come from the Executive on the subject of the pub

lands. An important proposition, indeed a new one, ed leare to introduce a bill to provide for the satisfaction lic lands generally. That proposition was now before of claims due to certain American citizens for spoliations the committee; and he hoped that the gentlemen from committed by France on their commerce, prior to the Kentucky would consent to a reference of his bill to the 30th September, 1800.

The bill was then read twice, and on motion of Mr. same committee. Mr. K. concluded by moving this -referWILKINS, ordered to be referred to a select committee of five members.

The motion was agreed to, and the bill was referred Mr. WILKINS said that previous to the balloting for to the Committee on the Public Lands. the committee, he wished to remark that, as it was pro

INTEREST TO STATES. bable the usual courtesy of the Senate in appointing the Mr. CHAMBERS asked and obtained leave to intromover to be on the committee, might be extended to him duce a bill providing for the final settlements of the claims in this case, he wished it to be understood that he did not of States for interest on advances made to the U. States desire to be on the committee. He would rather that, during the late war. in his room, some gentleman might be appointed who was The bill was read, and ordered to a second reading. more conversant with commercial buisiness. He desired, After notices for various bills, and receiving sundry however, that it might be understood that he had in no resolutions, adjourned. way changed bis original opinions on the subject of these claims.

THURSDAY, DECEMDER 13. The PRESIDENT replied that he believed it was the duty of the Chair to appoint the committee.

Mr. SMITH, instructed by the Committee on Finance, Mr. WILKINS. Then I wish the Chair to consider my offered the following resolution: remarks as addressed to himself.

Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasury be di. Mr. SMITH. I do not think it very proper to appoint rected, with as little delay as may be, to furnish the Sen. commercial gentlemen on this committee. They might ate with the projet of a bill for reducing the duties levied be interested in the result.

upon imports, in conformity with the suggestions made by The conversation here ceased.

him in his annual report. [The following members were appointed by the Chair This resolution lies on the table one day. to compose the committee: Messrs. WEBSTER, CHAMBERS,

COMMERCIAL STATEMENTS. DUDLEY, Brows, TYLER.)

A joint resolution offered by Mr. SMITH, to provide ELECTION OF CHAPLAIN.

for printing the annual statements of commerce and naviThe Senate then proceeded to the election of a Chap-/gation was then taken up.

ence.

SEXATE.]

Commercial Statements.

[DECEMBER 17, 1832.

Mr. SMITH briefly stated the reasons which had induc- garded the calling for a bill as derogatory to the character ed him to offer this resolution. Referring to the act which of the Senate. directs the Secretary of the Treasury to report these Mr. TYLER regretted that on a mere motion to reconstatements anually to Congress in the first, meaning, per- sider the order for adjournment, the merits of the resolu. haps, the first Monday of December, or as soon after as pos- tion should be brought up for discussion. Notwithstandsible—he complained that the document did not very fre- ing what had fallen from the Senator from Mississippi, quently find its way to the members until the session had however, he should still calculate on having his vote in terminated, and they had returned to their homes. He favor of the resolution. He reminded that gentleman that did not get his last statement until the end of October or the existing law required of the Secretary of the Treasury the beginning of November. He referred to the great but to communicate to Congress all the information concernunsuccessful exertions which had been made by the Sec. ing, the finances of the country. In obedience to this retary to obtain the statements, at an earlier period, from law, the Secretary had stated that there miglit be a reducthe officers who had to preparc the details. The Secre- tion in the revenue to the amount of six millions. This tary hoped to send in the next statement, by the 1st of was the broad proposition of the Secretary. Was not the February; and after that time, it would be long before it Senate justified then in calling upon the Secretary to state could be printed, and presented to the members. The in what manner this reduction could be effected? Are object of his resolution was to give authority to the Secre- we not to call on him to furnish a bill of particulars which tary to have the document printed so that it might be we may make the basis of our legislation? The resolution printed, sheet by sheet, as the matter was furnished from did no more than call on liim for such bill of particulars. ihe Department, and under the supervision of the 'Treas. He considered that the objection of the gentlem:in from ury. The difficulty arose out of the impossibility of get- Mississippi would apply with great force to any other of the ting the reports of the various officers in proper time. The Departments; but for the reasons be had stated, he did not Secretary complained that he could not get them in time; think it applicable to the Treasury. He expressed his hope unless some penalty could be inflicted for neglect and de. that the Senate would reconsider, tlıç motion to adjourn. lay, he did not see how the officers could be coerced into Mr. MANGUM said a few words against the motion to greater diligence.

reconsicier, and against the resolution itself. Unlearned Mr. HOLMES admitted that there was ground for com- as he was in these matters, and untulored in the precise plaint as to the delay in furnishing these annual statements. course which had been customary, he was not disposed to it often happened that they were not received until long call on any body but the regular committees of that body after the termination of the session; perhaps not before for the draught of a bill. The Secretary, it was true, was May or June, instead of early in January: The report required to furnish all information concerning bis Depart. has to be delivered to the Secretary of the Senate, and ment, and he could see no impropriety in his furnishing afterwards to be printed. The adoption of this resolution the Senate with details; but he would prefer that the comwould lead to the printing of the statements beforehand, mittees should cxamine the facts, and if they agreed with but the evil would not thereby be remedied. The re- the Secretary as to the main points, it was for them to go port of the Secretary of the Treasury gives the returns to him for such details as they iniglit require: as a matter up to the 30th of September, and he saw no reason why concerning the dignity of the Senate, le should feel him. the report should not be made before the 1st of January. self called on to oppose the course which was now sugIt was said that there was no penal sanction to the law, gested. He would not call on any branch of the Govern. and that the officers could delay their returns without in- ment for the projet of a bill. curring any penalty. It is so; but he should suppose that The question was then taken on the motion to reconsineglect could be prevented; that if the Secretary could der; which was decided in the negative-ayes 17, noes 18. not remove an offender, he could report his neglect to the And the Senate adjourned to Monday. President. He thought the subject should be further con. sidered, and with this vicw, he moved to lay the resolution

MONDAY, DECEMBER 17. on the table.

Mr. POINDEXTER offered the following resolution: The moti

Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasoy de direct'motion of Mr. FORSYTU. the Senate then pro-ed to report to the Senate, with as little delay as practiceeded to the consideration of executive business.

cable, a detailed statement of the articles of foreign growth RE-CONSIDERATION.

or manufacture, on which, in his opinion, the present rate

of dutics ought to be reduced, specifying particularly the When the doors were re-opened, a motion had been amount of reduction on each article separately, so as to made by Mr. POINDEXTER to re-consider the order of

produce the result of an aggregate reduction of the revethe Senate to adjourn till Monday, for the purpose of nue six millions of dollars, on such manufactures as are giving an opportunity, to-morrow, for the adoption of the classed under the general denomination of protected artiresolution offered to-day by Mr. Smith, from the Com-cles; and that he also appe to such report an mittee on Finance.

ration of articles deemed to be “essential to our national When Reporters were admitted, Mr. HOLMES had independence in time of war,” and which therefore ought, just opposed the motion.

in his opinion, to be exempted from the operation of the Mr. POINDEXTER succeeded him in a few remarks proposed reduction of duties. in opposition to any call upon the Head of a Department On motion of Mr. POINDEXTER, the resulution was for the projet of a bill. In his opinion, the Senate ought to ordered to be printed. look to their own committees for draughts of bills, and to the Departments merely for information. He hard a strong

COMMERCIAL STATEMENTS. objection to sending either to the President, or any one On motion of Mr. SMITH, the Senate proceeded to the of the Departments, for a bill. He would look to the re. consideration of the joint resolution offered by him relative gular committees for the bills, and the committees would to the printing of the annual statement of commerce and look to the Departments for such information as they navigation. might require. He could not consider this resolution, Mr. HOLMES remarked, that he had no intention of therefore, in the light of an ordinary call for information; opposing, nor did he intend to propose amending the reand whenever it should be taken up, he would record his solution. He would suggest, however, to the mover to name in opposition to it. Not that he was ever opposed avoid the supposition that the intention was to take this to call on the Departments for information, but that he re- portion of the public printing from the public printer,

on was used to.

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