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tion. Under these circumstances, con- very words of the treaty. Her Majesty, sidering that to a great extent my mouth as protecting Sovereign, has certain auwill be closed, and that I shall not be able thority in those States, and it is in the to explain fully the objects which the Lord i power of Parliament, before Her Majesty High Commissioner has in view, and con- exercises that authority, to tender its residering, also, that although the paper spectful advice upon that as well as other containing these propositions is an authen- topics. But when Her Majesty has once tic document, yet that it has been trans- ratified a change in the constitution of the mitted without covering letter, or a single Ionian Islands, Parliament bas no authority explanatory observation, and that the whole whatever, and no alteration can be made case is at the present moment pending, I in the arrangement so effected, except by earnestly appeal to the noble Earl not to the authority of the Ionian States. My commence a discussion that can take place Lords, it was on these accounts that I was in a short time with so much greater ad- anxious to call your Lordships' attention vantage to the public. Mr. Gladstone left to the subject; but, seeing that it would the Ionian Islands on his way home on Sa- be highly painful to me to persevere after turday, and he will probably be in England the noble Earl has stated it would be inon Monday or Tuesday next. Considering convenient to him that I should do so, I that the Government have had no opportu- am willing to postpone the Motion—but nity of communicating with Mr. Gladstone, upon one, and only one, condition, and I put it to the noble Earl whether it will that is, that in the event of the Ionian not be fairer-I will not say to Her Ma- Parliament acceding to the proposals made jesty's Government, but to Mr. Gladstone to them, the Resolutions they may pass in
- that he should return home before any consequence shall not be submitted to Her discussion of the kind contemplated by the Majesty for Her final ratification until they poble Earl takes place.
have been laid before Parliament, and until EARL GREY : My Lords, the appeal Parliament has had an opportunity of exmade to me by the noble Earl places me pressing an opinion upon them. If that under a considerable difficulty, because is declined I shall have no alternative, and when the First Minister of the Crown it will be my duty to persevere with my states upon his responsibility that a dis- Motion. cussion of a particular question would lead LORD BROUGHAM thought, that though to serious inconvenience to the public ser- in general the fact of a public servant vice, there can be in general no hesitation being abroad on the public service was no in submitting to that appeal. But the reason for abstaining from discussion on noble Earl, in the course of his appeal to his conduct-for such a rule would apply me, has given as a reason for requesting a fatal limit to discussion- yet the present postponement that the discussion might be regarded as a peculiar or exceptional possibly have some effect in inducing the case. His right hon. Friend the Lord Assembly of the Ionian Islands to reject High Commissioner was on his way home the proposals that have been made. Now, at this moment, and must arrive in this as I am of opinion that the rejection of those country in the course of a week or two, if proposals is in the highest degree desirable not in a few days; therefore, in this case —that there can be no such great public the argument that they ought not to be misfortune in this transaction as that they prevented from discussing the conduct of should be accepted and ratified by Her an absent public servant failed, because Majesty—the noble Earl's request rather the authority of Parliament would only be increases the difficulty I feel; and for this suspended for the period of a few days. reason, that the case of the Ionian Islands He hoped, therefore, in fairness to his is very different from the case of a British right hon. Friend, as well as to the subcolony. In a British colony, if the colo-ject itself, that his noble Friend (Earl nial Legislature passes some law that will | Grey) would postpone his Motion. Whebe highly injurious to the empire at large, ther the Government would agree to the in that extreme case the authority of the condition his noble Friend had imposed Imperial Legislature can be invoked, and he could not, of course, say; but he hoped the injury may be prevented; but in the and trusted that the Motion would be postcase of the Ionian Islands the Imperial poned, both on account of the public serParliament has no authority whatever. vice and in fairness and justice towards his They are constituted by the treaty a "free right hon. Friend. and independent State.” Those are the THE EARL OF DERBY:-My Lords, I
have some difficulty as to the precise an- in the Resolutions which the Lord High swer which I ought to give to the proposi- Commissioner had submitted to the Ionian tion of the noble Earl-namely, that no Parliament, but these Resolutions themActs passed by the Legislature of the selves had not been seen by the GovernIonian Islands on this subject shall receive ment. They embodied the substance of the ratification of Her Majesty until they the recommendations made in the reports have been submitted to Parliament. I am to which I have referred ; but the Resonot quite sure whether it would be consis. lutions themselves were not seen by the tent with the rights of the Ionian Parlia- Government till they were transmitted by ment to give a pledge in that form; but if the Lord High Commissioner as having the noble Earl consents to postpone his been laid before the Ionian Legislature. Motion, I shall promise that no application They were transmitted without any exof any Act passed by the Ionian Legisla. planatory notes. These are substantially ture shall take place till the noble Earl the statements made by my noble Friend has had an opportunity of bringing forward the other night, and they are quite con. the subject.
sistent with each other. EARL GRANVILLE:-I wish to ask
House adjourned at a quarter before
Seven o'clock, to Thursday next, whether Her Majesty's Government have
half-past Ten o'clock. received any information as yet as to the manner in which the proposed constitution has been received by the Ionian Parlia. ment. I was not in the House the other evening when this subject was brought forward by my noble Friend; but I gather
HOUSE OF COMMONS, from the usual sources of information that the noble Lord, the Under Secretary for
Monday, February 21, 1859. the Colonies, stated that the heads of the proposed constitution had been approved Minutes.] New Member Sworn.—For Leominby the Government, and that the Queen's ster, Captain the hon. Charles Spencer Batename had been used in respect to them.
PUBLIC BILLS. -1° Inclosure of Lands; Local I should like to know whether I am right
Assessments Exemption Abolition ; Poor Law in understanding that to have been the Boards (Payment of Debts). statement made by the noble Lord.
2° Medical Act (1858) Amendment: Lunatics The Earl OP DERBY :-I have no (Care and Treatment); Lunatic Asylums, &c.; difficulty in answering the two questions
Burial Places. put by the noble Earl.
And first, as regards the manner in which the heads of the constitution have been received by the
WOOLWICH EXEMPTION BILL. Ionian Parliament. The Resolutions in which they were embodied were submitted Order for Second Reading read. to the Ionian Legislature on the 5th; and GENERAL CODRINGTON said, he rose up to the 14th or 15th no decision had to move the second reading of this Bill, the been come to regarding them, though va- object of which was to exempt Woolwich rious propositions had been made and dis- from assessment by the Metropolitan Board cussed. Indeed, we have heard by tele- of Works. The inhabitants of Woolwich graph that up to the time of Mr. Gladstone had already expended 25,000 for the drainleaving the island the Legislature had come age of that town and parish, and they conto no decision on the subject. With regard sidered it would be a great hardship to to the second question, what my noble make them liable to the rates for the main Friend the Under Secretary for the Colo- drainage of the Metropolis, believing that nies said the other evening was, that the they could not derive any advantage from propositions made by the Lord High Com- it ; but, on the contrary, that the extenmissioner were made with the assent and sion of the works to Woolwich would be sanction of Her Majesty's Government seriously detrimental to the sanitary conthat communications had taken place be- dition of the place. tween the Secretary of State for the Colo- MR. ALDERMAN SALOMONS seconded nies and Mr. Gladstone—that the latter the Motion. sent home reports containing various re- Motion made and Question proposed, commendations that the substance of " That the Bill be now read a second these reports were subsequently embodied time."
MR. TITE said he should move that the THE IRISH CONSTABULARY. Bill be read a second time that day six
QUESTION months. The district over which the Me. tropolitan Board of Works had power ex: the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether it
MR. MAGUIRE said, he begged to ask tended fifteen miles and a half from east is the intention of the Government to make, to west, and eleven miles from north to south. There was no more reason for
or propose to make, any increase in the pay
of the Irish Constabulary; and, in case exempting Woolwich than for exempting such an intention has been arrived at, Penge, Sydenham, Hampstead, Highgate, whether he is prepared to say what in. Chelsea, or Fulbam. It was said that Woolwich had made a complete system of
crease has been decided upon to be made drainage, but so had the City of London.
or proposed. In both instances the sewage was passed ten years considerable additions had been
LORD NAAS said, that during the last into the Thames, and in both instances it made to the pay of the Irish Constabulary would have to be diverted into the great Force. There had been also considerable arterial drains which would have its outfall
allowances made. four miles below Woolwich. The Metro- the intention of Her Majesty's Govern
It was not, therefore, politan Board of Works, besides having the responsibility of the drainage of the Metro- ment, for the present at all events, to propolis , had other duties cast upon them, in pose any additional pay to the men of the
Constabulary Force. making street improvements at a vast outlay, which ought to be provided by the as. sessment of the whole district.
GENERAL THANKSGIVING-INDIA, street from the Borough to Stamford Street
QUESTION. was estimated at £580,000. The street
MR. RICHARDSON said, he would beg from St. Martin's Lane to King Street to ask the Secretary of State for India £90,000, and another Improvement in the whether it be the intention of Her MaEast Part of London would cost £60,000. jrsty's Government to recommend to. Her The Board had borrowed £400,000 of the Majesty to appoint a day of Thanksgiving Bank of England, and had pledged all the to Almighty God, in acknowledgment of Rates including Woolwich for its repay. His great mercy in giving success to the ment. It was sought to exeni pt Woolwich British Arms in quelling the Revolt in Inin the same manner as the places mentioned dia, and in the re-establishment of British in schedule C of the Act, namely, a dis
power. trict connected with Westminster Abbey, LORD STANLEY said that the Governthe Charter House, and the Inns of Court, ment thought it more advisable to defer the with which it had no analogy, and which consideration of the subject alluded to by in point of fact ought never to have been the hon. Gentleman until the complete paexempted at all. No such interference cification of India was secured. ought to be allowed with the operations of a great Commission which was deal
THE NELSON COLUMN. ing with the main drainage of the Metro. polis.
Amendment proposed to leave out the MR. LAURIE said, he wished to ask the word "now" and at the end of the Ques. First Commissioner of Works when the tion to add the words “ upon this day six Lions are expected to be placed on the months.”
Nelson Column, and why the execution of SIR BENJAMIN HALL said, that in them was entrusted to Sir Edwin Landseer, the Act which constituted the Metropolitan instead of Mr. Lough, the sculptor origiBoard of Works the Registrar General's nally appointed by the Committee. He district was deemed to be the Metropolis, also wished to know whether it is intended and there was no more reason now for to continue the two water-spouts in front exempting Woolwich than for exempting of the National Gallery. Marylebone.
LORD JOHN MANNERS said, it was Question “ That the word 'now,' stand impossible at present to say when the part of the Question," put and negatived. Lions would be placed upon the site inWords added.
tended for them. Sir Edwin Landseer Main Question, as amended, put, and was engaged at the present moment on agreed to.
the preparation of the models ; and he Bill put off for six months.
(Lord J. Manners) hoped that at no distant
day they would be placed upon their des- and imposed a tax upon the district as emtined site. Sir Edwin Landseer was se- powered by the Act, which tax was levied at lected for the execution of those lions with once. Mr. FitzGerald stated on his arrival, a feeling of confidence that the work could —" I was informed that Bernard Heraghty not be entrusted to more skilful hands. In could identify one of the parties who made respect to the last question of the hon. the attack upon the Rev. Mr. Nixon.” The Gentleman, of which he had received no police were therefore at once sent in search notice, he had only to say, that that sub- of him, and he being found and examined ject had not as yet engaged the attention upon oath said, “I knew the face of one of Her Majesty's Government.
of those persons immediately I saw it, but I did not tell it for some days after to any
The one I knew I swear was young ATTEMPTED MURDER OF THE REV.
Mr. Nixon, the son of the gentleman who MR. NIXON -QUESTION.
was attempted to be assassinated. I am SIR HENRY KEATING said, he rose positive of it. My reason for not telling to ask the Attorney General for Ireland any one was, that I thought it was a pity. whether it be true, as stated in several I thought when I saw him that he had newspapers, that the Law Officers of the deserted from the army, as I had heard Crown in Ireland have in their possession that he was in the army at Derry.” When the deposition of a person named Heraghty Heraghty was asked why he had not told identifying one of the three persons who this to Mr. Cruise he said, “ Because I was attempted to murder the Reverend Mr. not then on my oath ; and my reason for Nixon ; if so, whether any proceedings telling it at all was, because I thought it a have been taken thereupon ; and if no pity the poor people should be suffering proceedings have been taken, what are the for the tax that was put upon them.” He reasons for not doing so ?
was then asked whether he had told what MR. WHITESIDE said, that the law he saw to any person, and he said that he officers of the Crown were in possession of had, to the Rev. Mr. M.Fadden. The the deposition of a man named Heraghty, Rev. Mr. M‘Naghton, a priest, and a very professing to identify one of the individuals respectable person, on being asked if who had attempted to murder the Rev. Heraghty had told him of this, said, “ He Mr. Nixon. No proceedings, however, had told me in conversation that he was quite been taken thereupon, and he would briefly sure that one of the three persons he had state the reasons wby. The rev. Gentle seen dressed as women was the Rev. Mr. man was fired at by one of three persons Nixon's son.” Mr. M.Fadden added, that disguised as women at about two o'clock he said to Heraghty that when examined in the afternoon, when he was returning by the magistrates he ought to have told from church on Sunday, the 24th of the truth to them, upon which he shook his October. Fortuvately for him, he bap head significantly, and said that would not pened at the moment to turn his head, suit, as he gained his livelihood by the which occasioned the ball to pass through gentry. The rev. Gentleman added, “I his cheek. The nearest magistrate in the then passed on, as I did not attach much neighbourhood, Mr. Cruise, a gentleman weight to what he said, as I knew him to deservedly in the confidence of the Govern- be very near-sighted. I have been inment, took immediate steps to discover the formed that he is so near-sighted that he guilty party. The Government without generally does not know people until they delay also sent down Mr. FitzGerald, who, speak to him.” Immediately after this with Mr. Cruise, investigated the whole examination there appeared in certain newsaffair. Then arose the matter which had papers in Dublin an attack upon the Gogiven occasion for the present question, vernment for screening this young man, and a report of which had been prepared Mr. Nixon. The stipendiary magistrate, by Mr. FitzGerald. From this report it however, was quite on the alert, for he appeared that a person of the name of telegraphed to the detective police, and they Heraghty, a travelling sweep, was on the traced the young man from the day that he road that day. In the first instance, this was discharged from the artny in Londonman was examined by Mr. Cruise, to whom derry, to the time at which he dined on he declared that he knew nothing whatever Sunday, the 24th October, in Dublin, of the outrage, nor of the persons who had which was 150 miles distant from the scene committed it. The Government imme- of the outrage. Coupling this fact with diately sent down an extra body of police, the circumstances that not one of the peasantry could identify Mr. Nixon's son, the SALE OF LIQUOR (SCOTLAND.) firm conviction left upon Mr. FitzGerald's
QUESTION mind was, that Heraghty was completely
Viscount MELGUND said, he would mistaken in what he had sworn; and it beg to ask the Secretary of State for the was only owing to his near-sightedness, Home Department whether it is the inwhich encouraged the belief rather that he tention of the Government to move for a was mistaken than wilfully guilty of per- Select Committee upon the laws concernjury, that proceedings for that offence had ing the sale and consumption of excisable not been instituted against him.
liquors in Scotland.
SIR ANDREW AGNEW said, he would THE IONIAN ISLANDS.
suggest that a Royal Commission should
be appointed to investigate the subject. QUESTION.
MR. WALPOLE said, that there were MR. HEADLAM said, he would beg to very conflicting opinions in Scotland as to ask the Secretary of State for the Colo- the mode in which any inquiry should be dies whether the Government will under instituted into the operation of the Forbes take that before any alteration is made in Mackenzie Act. fle thought that some the constitution of the Ionian Islands this inquiry was imperatively required for the House shall have an opportunity of satisfaction of the contending parties, for expressing an opinion on the proposed he was sure that until it was instituted no change.
satisfactory agreement upon the question SIR EDWARD BULWER LYTTON could be arrived at. Now, as to the best said, that the official papers relating to the mode of such an inquiry there was some subject would be soon placed upon the difficulty. If a Select Committee were Table of the House, and ample oppor- appointed all the parties concerned should tunity would be afforded for discussing the be brought from Scotland to give evidence, question before any change in the Con- and he had his doubts whether even then stitution of the Ionian Islands could take they could come to any satisfactory result, place.
The inclination of his mind was that in
order to avoid delay and expense it would SMITHFIELD.-QUESTION. be better to appoint a Royal Commission Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, he wished to of proceeding would, he believed, give sa
to inquire into the suloject. Such a mode ask the Secretary of State for the Home
tisfaction to all parties. Department whether anything decisive has been determined upon in reference to the
FEES TO MAGISTRATES' CLERKS. vacant site of the late Smithfield Market ; if not, when it is likely that a decision will
QUESTION. be arrived at by Her Majesty's Govern- MR. ADAMS said, he would beg to ask ment.
the Secretary of State for the Home DeMR. WALPOLE said, from the corres. partment whether any Report has yet been pondence that had taken place in reference received from the Comunission of Inquiry to this subject, it appeared that according on the subject to Fees to Magistrates' to the opinions of the Law Officers of the Clerks ? Crown, both of the present and the late MR. WALPOLE said, that he had only Government, there was a great doubt as to received a partial Report at present from whether the site of the late Smithfield the Commission of Inquiry, and he thought Market reverted to the Crown, instead of it unadvisable to act until he received full being any longer the property of the City. information upon the subject. A very atle Report had been drawn up in reference to the sanitary state uses which might be made of the site, and in re
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. ference to the mode in which that part SIR JOHN PAKINGTON said, he had of the metropolis might be treated. That to beg the indulgence of the House as he Report was sent to the City at the end of wished to make an appeal to the hon. last year, and a correspondence took place Member for Montrose (Mr. Baxter), the hon. in relation to it. The whole of that' Re- Member for Berwick (Mr. Stapleton), and port, and the atter referred to in it, his noble and gallant Friend the Memwas referred to the Market Improvement ber for Sandwich (Lord C. Paget). Those Committee.
hon. Members must be aware that he had