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the period during which the present dis- | papers in their present state, would read cussions had been pending was considered, them after they were arranged, or that it certainly did not afford any reason for they would read the report, which would such a complaint, when it was compared probably be still more voluminous than with the time that was occupied with the the papers ? prosecution either of Mr. Hastings or lord Sir T. Turton exhorted the house not to Clive. But even supposing that there had hurry a proceeding of such great importbeen more delay than was necessary, this ance. This was not a case in which a was no reason why the house ought to pass private person alone was interested. It a premature and precipitate decision. It affected the rights of a whole people, who might be said, to be sure, that members had no tribunal but that house to whom to might have carried the papers to the apply for justice. They had no friend country with them during the recess, but but that house, and if it slighted the appeal since parliament met there had been such now made, it forfeited its own character a press of other business as completely to and honour, and the character and honour occupy their time. But even if they were of the country. At all events, he trusted chargeable with remissness, that was no it was not meant to proceed to the consireason why they should now pass a judg. deration of the question to-night. ment for which they were totally unpre- Sir S. Romilly admitted that justice to pared. In such circumstances, an acquit- the noble marquis required that no unnetal would be no acquittal, and condemna- cessary delay should take place. Justice, tion would be no more than condemnation. however, could not be done to him, and, He had made himself so far master of the what was of still higher importance, to the subject as to have formed an opinion very national character, if the house came to a unfavourable certainly to many parts of premature decision. A great deal had the noble marquis's administration, but been said of the number of parliaments what he wished was, that some farther de- which had passed since the papers were lay should be granted to those who had laid on the table; let it, however, be renot made themselves masters of the sub-collected, that there we
many members ject. He concluded with deprecating' a in that house who had sat there for not hasty decision upon a question in which more than seven months, not one of whom, the national character was most deeply of course, had heard a single word on the involved. Were the house, by a vote this subject of these papers, which could enable evening, to give its sanction to all the fla- thein to form any idea as to the facts which gitious outrages which had been commit- they were meant to substantiate ; and yet ted in India against the rights of indepen- they were now called on to give a decision dent princes, in violation of all the princi- on evidence of which they did not know ples of justice, honour, and good faith, he the bearing. This was said to be a queswas afraid that, in the estimation of the tion personal to the noble marquis, but world, this country would stand chargea- still it was no less a judicial question, and ble with many of those crimes which we he had never yet heard of any proceeding had reprobated so much in others, but of by which a fair result of such a question which we had in several recent instances, could be obtained, unless those who were he was afraid, been too successful imita- to judge of it, were previously acquainted
with the facts charged, and the nature of Mr. B. Bathurst said, that if the house the defence. Was there a man in that was unprepared to decide upon the ques- house prepared at the present moment to tion now, this want of preparation might say, that he was ready to come to a right be a good reason for adjourning the debate decision on the case ? He had, with great to some future day, but it did not appear inconvenience to himself, gone through a to him that it furnished ground for insti- considerable part of these papers, and if tuting a new proceeding. In proposing to obliged to come to his decision this night, appoint a select committee one or two, he must give it against the noble marquis, objects must be in view, either that this though he did not say, that in the mass of committee should merely form an index to evidence before the house, there might not
papers, or that it should enter into an be evidence in the noble marquis’s favour of investigation of the whole affairs of India, which he was at present ignorant. He was and report thereupon to the house. But, of opinion, that to send the evidence to a in either case, what security had they that committee to return a digested report of those gentlemen who had not read the it to the house, would be the only means
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of arriving at substantial justice. None, amendment to be withdrawn, in order to he was convinced, ought to desire this so allow the house to decide, whether it would anxiously as the friends of the marquis, proceed in a house, or refer the case to a and nothing could be more unsatisfactory committee. When that question should than a premature decision.
be decided, the proper time for proceeding Sir A. Wellesley.said, it was for the house might be considered; and he was of opito decide what mode of proceeding would nion, that to-morrow would be preferable best suit its own convenience and the ends to to-morrow se'nnight. It was a vacant of justice; but, he contended, that it had day, and it was agreed that it was desirbeen always asked, and it was the only able to hear the noble lord's charges stated thing that was asked, on the part of the as soon as possible. noble marquis, that the case should be Sir F. Burdett withdrew bis amendment brought to as speedy a decision, as a re- for deferring the further proceeding to togard to justice and fair inquiry would morrow se'nnight. allow. The propriety of this principle Lord Folkestone was ready, for his own had been laid down and enforced by the part, to proceed to-morrow; but he underhighest authority on all sides of the house, stood the gentlemen about him preferred and among others, by an hon. gent, now to-morrow se'nnight. A division was then no more (Nr. Fox), whose opinion would called for, when there appeared, For the weigh very much with the gentlemen on orginal motion, 21. For referring the the other side. He did not suppose that bussine-s to a committee 94.—While the every member had read the papers word gallery was shut a conversation took place for word: but he was satisfied there were about the proper time of taking the subvery few who had not read them suffici- ject into consideration again, when it was ently to enable them to give a conscien- agreed to make the order for to-morrow tious vote. All that he asked now, was se'nnight. what he had asked before, as speedy a de+ cision as the house in its sense of justice could adınit. Lord Folkesione, thought the house was
Tuesday, February 23. sufficiently in possession, at least of the Petitioy FROM OLDHAM RESPECTING main facts of the case, to come to a deci- | PcACE.] Col. Stanley presented a Petision on the Oude question at once, with- tion from the inhabitants of Oldham and its out going into the general policy of the neighbourhood, in the county Palatine of system of government in India, which he Lancaster, setting forth, “That the petithought belonged more properly to the tioners experience great inconvenience general consideration of the Finances of from a considerable depression of their India, of which the right hon. gent. op- trade, a depression which causes a reposite (Mr. Dundas) had given notice, or duction in the wages of labour unprecethe other general view of that part of the dented in the most afflicting times hereempire to be brought forward by the hon. tofore known, and which renders it difgent. below him (Mr. Creevey). It was ficult for the most industrious and healthy their own fault if any gentlemen were workman to procure for himself and family unprepared to come to the decision. the bare necessaries of life; that the manu
Sir. F. Burdett thought it impossible to facturer is unable to afford him any lasting decide this night upon the merits of the relief, for, even with this reduced state of case, when the minds of gentlemen were wages, he cannot find a market for his not made up as to the proper form of pro- goods that will return him a profit adequate .ceeding. He moved as an amendment to to his expences and risks; that in the train the motion, the insertion of the words of these distresses follow the increase of “ to-morrow se'nnight," instead of the the poor rates, the numerous assignments, word “ now.”
bankruptcies, and all the various acts Lord Folkestone agreed in the impos- whereby the property of others becomes sibility of going into the merits of the injured and insecure ; that the petitioners case at so late an hour this night. He are persuaded, that the ultimate cause of was ready to agree in the hon. baronet's most of the evils here complained of is the : motion, if the house thought fit.
war in which we are unfortunately engaged, The Chancellor of the Erchequer allowed, which has been prolonged to an unusual that it was impossible to go into the merits length, and which the powers of the conof the case this miglit. He wished the tinent alledge we intend to male perpetual,
and under that pretext exclude our mer- Jesuits Bark. If he had been in the chandize from the accustomed marts in house at the time he should hare resisted their territory; that the petitioners con- the passing of that resolution. He now ceive something ought to be done to con- begged the right hon. the chancellor of vince the world that we cherish the idea the exchequer to inform him when the of perpetual war as little as any other na- bill was likely to be introduced ; at the tion, when peace can be had with honour same time he thought it right to state, that and safety, and that the most effectual way he should most decidedly oppose a meaof answering such allegations would be to sure which went to carry into effect that enter into Negociations for Peace; that most detestable species of warfare. the petitioners deprecate the very idea of The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that perpetual war being entertained for a the bill would most probably be introducmoment by any order of men in this king-ed to-morrow. dom; and they conceive that a protracted one can be attended with no advantage to the interests of this country, as the destiny
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Wednesday, February 24. of us to alter; and the petitioners think it African COMPANY's Petition.) Genéincumbent on them to state, that the un- ral Gascoyne presented a Petition from certainty whether the relations of amity the Committee of the Company of Mercould be maintained between our govern- chants trading to Africa, setting forth, ment and that 'of the united states of " That the Petitioners have laid before the America has contributed no little to in- house, an Account of the money granted crease the difficulties of our situation, and, to them for the year 1806, examined and in the event of a rupture between the two passed by the cursitor baron of the exchecountries, in the present confined state of quer, as required by an act of the 23d of our cominerce in Europe, certain ruin will his late majesty; and that, for the purpose be the consequence to a great number of of enabling the petitioners to maintain the the petitioners; and therefore praying, British forts and settlements on the said that the house will be pleased to present coast, parliament has been pleased, for an address to his majesty, advising him to several years past, to grant the sum of enter into such arrangements for the im- 15,0001. for the support of the said estamediate restoration of Peace, as the urgency blishments, which sum has been invested of the case seems to require; but the peti, for that purpose by the petitioners; and tioners do not request that the honour and that the petitioners, being sensible of the security of the nation should be sacrificed great regard shewn by the house for the to obtain for them a temporary relief preservation of the British forts and setfrom their sufferings; on the contrary, tlements on the coast of Africa, humbly should our enemies, from any unjustifiable solicit that the house will take the premises motives, be induced to make demands in- into consideration, and grant to the peticonsistent with either, the petitioners will tioners the like sum of 19,0001! for the not repine at any privations they may en- maintenance and support of the said forts dure till the contest can be brought to an and settlements for the present year; and honourable issue; but they have the satis- the petitioners beg further to submit to the faction to think there will be few obstacles house, that, during the continuance of the in the way of peace, from the Declaration Slave Trade, the committee were enabled of his majesty, that the late negotiations to procure competent persons, willing to broke off' upon points not immediately encounter the climate of Africa, at salaries affecting the interests of his Britannick greatly inadequate to the service, by reamajesty, but those of his Imperial ally; son of the commercial advantages which in humble confidence the petitioners sub- they derived from a constant and extenmit the matter to the wisdom of the house, sive intercourse with vessels trading in not doubting but the important object of slaves ; but this commerce being now the petition will receive their candid con- abolished, the committee apprehend that sideration."-Ordered to lie upon the their servants, rendered incapable of suptable.
porting themselves upon their salaries JESUITS BARK Bill.] Mr. Whitbrend ob- only, will no longer have sufficient inserved, that a Resolution had been passed ducements to remain in Africa, unless such the other night, upon which a Bill was to addition should be made thereto as may be founded, to prevent the exportation of be reasonable and just; and therefore praying, that the house will be pleased to to sea by the retreat of the blockading grant to the petitioners, in addition to the force. Though the sailing of the Roche16,000l. for the maintenance and support fort squadron would, he hoped, be the of the said forts and settlements for the means of adding new glory to the triumphs present year, such further sum as may of the British navy, still he was sure that appear to the house to be sufficient to en- every one who heard him would agree, that able them to augment the salaries of their if the blockade had been raised from any servants in Africa as before mentioned.”- neglect in supplying the squadron under Ordered to lie upon the table.
sir John Duckworth, that neglect was exKing's MESSAGE RESPECTING AN ANNU- tremely criminal. ITY TO THE FAMILY OF THE LATE LORD The Chancellor of the Exchequer had no Laxe. Lord Castlereagh presented a information of the fact alluded to by the Message from his majesty, which was read hon. gent. If the hon. gent. wished for by the Speaker, as follows;
any information on the subject, or had re« G. R. His majesty having taken in-ceived any that he conceived it right to to his royal consideration the splendid authenticate, his object would be best anachievements and eminent services per- swered by making a motion, of which he formed by the late general viscount Lake might now give notice. All he could on the continent of Europe, and in the now say, in answer to the argumentative East Indies, and being desirous to confer | statements and questions of the bon. gent. some signal mark of his favour upon his was, that he was not aware of any such family, in order to enable them to support fact as that alluded to by the hon. gent. the dignity of the title conferred upon Mr. Calcraft said, he certainly bad rehim; and for this purpose to give and ceived some information which had led grant to his eldest son the present viscount him to put the questions he had addressed Lake, and to the two next surviving heirs to the hon. gent. He gave notice that he male of the body of the deceased, to would on Thursday se'nnight submit a whom the title of viscount Lake and baron motion, with a view to ascertain the state Lake of Delhi and Laswary, and of Aston of the approvisionment of sir R. Strachan's Clinton, in the county of Buckingham, squadron. shall descend, an annuity of 2000l. per [DISTILLATION FROM SUGAR.) The Chanannum, recommends it to his faithful com-cellor of the Exchequer rose, in consequence mons to consider of a proper method of en- of the notice which he had given, to move abling his majesty to grant the same, and that a Committee should be appointed of extending, securing, and settling such to inquire into the best mode of grantannuity upon the said viscount Lake, and ing relief to those engaged in the West on the two next succeeding heirs on whom India trade; and in directing the serithe title of viscount Lake and baron Lake ous attention of the house to a subject of Delhi and Laswary, and of Aston Clin-, which the whole house, he was convinced, ton, in the county of Buckingham, shall would agree with him in thinking wordescend, in such manner as shall be thought thy of the earliest inquiry, he did not most effectual for the said viscount Lake, think it necessary to use any arguments to and the two next male heirs to the title." press it upon their notice. Every gentle
-Resolved, That this house will, upon man, he was persuaded, would be of one Friday next, resolve itself into a commit- opinion as to the propriety of obtaining all tee of the whole house, to take his ma- the information that could be collected jesty's said most gracious Message into upon the subject,in order that this informaconsideration.
tion might be followed up by the remedy SIR RIOWARD STRACHAN's SQUADRON.] which might appear to be most applicable Mr. Calcraft wished to know from his ma- to the circumstances of those immediately jesty's ministers, how far there was any interested in obtaining relief. The first foundation for the rumours so painful to the idea that had suggested itself was, extendpublic feelings, upon that most important ing the internal consumption of the staple branch of the public service, which were article of West India produce, by render, , lately in circulation. He alluded to the ing it applicable to our home Distilleries. rumours of sir R. Strachan having been The select committee, which had already obliged to quit his station off' Rochefort, been appointed to inquire into the causes in consequence of being short of provi- of the present embarrassments of the plantsions, and the concomitant report that the ers, had not, it was true, in their report French squadron had been enabled to put been very favourable to the opinion, that much relief could be obtained by these of the house, and it was left wholly in the means, but he was not without hope that dark, both respecting the grounds upon it would be found on farther inquiry, that which the Orders had been issued, and the a measure might be so framed as materially effects which were likely to result from to contribute to the object which he had them. The right hon. chancellor of the in view. He thought, therefore, that a exchequer had thought it was sufficient to Committee should be again appointed, to bring them forward in a Committee of inquire how far it might be proper to pro- Ways and Means, where it was impossible hibit Distillation from any other articles to institute any discussion, either upon than sugar and molassess, and whether their principle or tendency, and where such a regulation should be extended to they could be regularly considered only England, Scotland, and Ireland, or to Eng- as a measure of finance. In this committee land only. But though this was the first it was impossible to discuss either their question to which the committee ought to legality or their policy, or the preamble direct their inquiries, there were others to of the bill. In every measure like the prewhich they might afterwards point their sent, it had been the constant practice to attention for the accomplishment of the submit the grounds of the measure to a great object. He concluded with moving Committee. In the American Commer“ That a Committee be appointed to in- cial bill this course had been pursued, and quire and report how far, and under what likewise in the case of the Bank Restriction circumstances, it may be practicable and bill a secret committee had been appointexpedient to confine the Distilleries of ed to inquire into the general state of its the united kingdom, or of any part of affairs, in short, this had been the uniform the united kingdom, to the use of sugar practice in matters of great magnitude and and molassess only; and also what other importance, connected either with comprovision can be made for the relief of the
merce or finance. He disclaimed all growers of sugar in the British West India intention or wish, by the present mocolonies, and to report the same, with their tion, to produce any unnecessary delay; observations and opinion thereupon, from but, conceiving the question involved in time to time, to the house." The motion the Orders in Council to be of vital imwas carried unanimously, and a select portance to the prosperity, and even to Committee appointed.
the existence of the country, it was maCOMMITTEE ON TRADE AND Navigation.] terial, surely, that the house should know Mr. Tierney rose to move that the house what it was about before it decided upshould resolve itself into a Committee of on them. He was ready to admit, for the whole house upon the Trade and Na- the sake of argument, that it was compevigation of the country, or, if a select com- tent for the king's prerogative to have mittee was thought preferable, he should issued the Orders in Council; he would have no objection that that course should admit, for the sake of argument, that they be followed. The object which he had in were justifiable as a measure of retaliation view was, that the house should have a against the enemy; and for the sake of full opportunity of discussing the Orders argument, he would admit, though he cerin Council after they were put into a shape tainly was of a different opinion, that they and form, in which they were capable of were not inconsistent with the common being discussed. At present he did not usage of nations; but, what he wished to mean to express either approbation or know was (and upon this point there was disapprobation of them. The present was no information whatever to enable the one of the very few instances, in which an house to form any opinion) what was like'administration had brought such a mea- ly to be their effect upon the trade of the sure before parliament without producing country? In this single point of view, he any information, or proposing some step considered the present as one of the most by which information could be obtained, stupendous questions that ever had been calculated to guide the judgment of the agitated. It involved not a matter of sublegislature upon the measure on which it ordinate regulation, not the prosperity of was called
to decide. In other in-one branch of trade, but the commerce of stances, ministers had been rather dispos- the whole world, that commerce on which ed to challenge, than to shrink from a the prosperity and the very existence of discussion of their acts, but in the present, England, in its present circumstances, dethe papers had merely been recommended pended. Was it therefore because our in the king's Speech to the consideration present situation was peculiar? Was it