whether you have rec'd any recent intelligence respecting this matter. It is surprising to me that Genl. Haldimand hath not evacuated these posts long since. Carlton acted under the provisional treaty as conclusive, & I believe all the states in those points which fell within their jurisdiction, in the stipulations of the treaty, affix'd that as the Era at w'h it sho'd commence. Why then Haldim'd sho'd still keep the posts within our bounds, & observe in restraint to us, the rigid discipline of war, is a measure w'h I cannot conceive upon what principle will be justified, his being an old veteran, averse to suffer order to relax, will be but a trifling palliative, the delay of orders or the arrival of Carlton, may be better accounted for, by a petition, I hear hath been presented the ministry by some merchants, praying that the evacuation might be deferr'd as long as possible, than from any other cause. I shall probably stay here a few days till I hear further upon this subject & shall be under obligations to yr. Excellency for any information you may obtain. I have the honor to be With great respect & esteem, yr. very humble servt. Jas. Monroe.* [No. 5479.] The United States Commissioners Suggest to Governor Clinton that New York's Course at the Coming Indian Council Should be Subordinate to the General Treaty. New York, August 19th, 1784. Sir, The engagements of the Indians, to convene at Fort Stanwix this month, and the advanced season of the year impose a *James Monroe, subsequently President of the United States, left his home in Virginia, 22 July, 1784, for an extended tour through the westward country. August 9 he wrote to Thomas Jefferson from New York that he had changed his route and would begin his trip from New York "up the North River, thence to the Lakes, thro' the Lakes to Detroit & thence to the Ohio-from the Ohio home."STATE HISTORIAN. necessity upon us of meeting them there, in order to conclude a peace, in the name of the United States, with such of those Nations as have been hostile. We have, therefore, sent a Messenger to announce this intention to the Indians. As the particular nature of the business, your Excellency is to transact with the Six Nations, on the part of this State, is not known to us, we cannot form a proper judgment how far it is compatible with the Commission we have the honor to bear from the United States in Congress assembled. But we submit it to your Excellency's determination, whether that business will not be more properly transacted at the same time with, and in subordination to the General Treaty. Such conduct on the part of the State of Pensylvania has been generally approved of, for its wisdom and consideral policy. It is with a view that this State may have an opportunity of shewing the same respect for the consideration, and may avail itself of the same advantages; that we have the honor of communicating to your Excellency, our determination to meet the Indians of the six Nations at Fort Stanwix on the 20th of September next. We have the honor to be with the greatest esteem Yr. Excellency's most Obed't. Servants Arthur Lee His Excellency the Governor of the State of New York. [No. 5480.] James Deane, Interpreter, Informs Lieutenant Colbreath That Brant is Due the Following Day and Requests Two Gallons of Rum. Kanonwarehare, Aug't. 20th, 1784. Sir, Two Messengers have just arrived, Express from Capt. Brant; they bring a Letter for Mr. Glen which the Six Nations desire may be forwarded immediately, as expeditiously as possible. Brant will be here To morrow. Capt. Jacob Reed desires you to send him Two Gallons of Rum from the public Store for the Use of Brant & party. Capt. Jacob further desires you to prevent the trader from selling Rum to the bearers of this, whereby they may be detained, only wishes you to give the them some provision & a small matter of rum for their refreshment. I am, Sir, Your most Obed't. humble Servant James Deane. Wm. Colbreth. [No. 5482.] Peter Ryckman to Henry Glen Anent Joseph Brant and the Forthcoming Council. Fort Schuyler, 23d Augt., 1784. Sir, I met the runners of Capt. Brandt, on Fryday the 20th Instant at Canasserago. I emediately opened the Letter they had and found his procedings. I than persued to se if I could not meate him at the Cayoga-Farre or the Seneca Country to Over set his sceme. I than mat him the next day in the Morning in Onindago. If I had met him at the Cayoga-Farre or the Seneca Country I would have endavoured to Overset his sceme and the whole of the Six Nations would have come down; it seams that he is now some thing uneasy about it. I left him this morning in Onida with Twenty-four in Number and Expact him here to Morrow as he did not chuse to stay thare. I would have come down myself this Morning but thought best to stay here untill Capt. Brandt has Rec'd an Answer from his Letter from his Excellency or the Commissioners. Brandt advised me to stay here untill he has Rec'd his Answer. He says that he has not rec'd. the Ans'r of the Speach he has sent down by me to his Excal'y, and on that account he thought it Best to come down with some of the Cheafs of the Six Nations to see how he should Act. He also says that he thinks he would be able with the Cheafs he has with him, to make Peace with this State, but not with the United States, as he has no Order to that purpose. He also says that he has his Runers ready and all the Six Nations are all awaiting for the word to come down. When I met Capt. Brandt, I perswaded vary hard upon him to sand some of his Roners for to fech the whole of the Six nations down here; he than told me that Furrain Nations could not come down farther than Onindago, as that had been Always their Fyre place, and they are now at Niagara. I than told him that his Excalancy could not come up that leanth as he was not very harty at present, and it seams that he has now give up the point. He further Informs me that the Rave. Mr. Catlin has Informed the Onida Indians that this State Intanded to settle the Onidas More to the Westward; he also Advised them not to give Over a fut of thair Ground to this State; he was thare the 22d & 23d of last June the Vary time I came from Niagara. The same Onida which came with me in Company from the Cayoga-Farre to Onida brought Capt. Brandt the News. And that is my Whole Opinion that detains the whole of the Six Nations. I would be vary glad if you could send me two or three had of Cattle to this place & some Salt. I shall desire Mr. Coalbreath to give no provisions to any of the Indians but to Capt. Brandt and his party. No More at prasent but remain, Sir, Your Humb'l Sert. To Henry Glen, Esqr, Schenectady. Peter Ryckman. [No. 5484.]* Governor Clinton Informs Henry Glen That He and His Associates Will Proceed Shortly to the Council Place. Albany, 25th August, 1784. Sir, In Consequence of the Letter from Capt. Brant and Mr. Deane, which you forwarded, I have had a meeting with the Commissioners and Associates in this City, the result of which is that we will leave this On Friday afternoon for Schenectady, and the next day proceed on our way to Fort Schuyler. Should you conceive it necessary to send Brant information of this, you will be pleased to forward a Messenger for the purpose. I expect that every thing will be prepared to leave Schenectady Early on Saturday Morning. Four Waggons will be necessary to convey the Gen't and their baggage from here, and you will from thence be able to determine what additional number will be wanted and which you will be pleased to provide. I am, Sir, Your Most obt. Servt. Henry Glen, Esqr. [No. 5483.] Governor Clinton through Henry Glen Notifies Joseph Brant of a Change in His Time of Proceeding to the Council. Albany, 25th Augt., 1784. Sir, Owing to some Circumstances which have occurred since I wrote you this Morning, I have thought it adviseable to address the enclosed Letter to Capt. Brant which when you have read you will please to seal and forward without the least Delay as also the inclosed Letter to Mr. Deane. I am Sir Your Most Obedt. Servt. Henry Glen Esqr. G. C. *For reasons that will appear obvious in document 5483, the present Editor has exchanged the places of documents 5483 and 5484.-STATE HISTORIAN. |