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sures which were to come before the House and learned Friend, and his experience in at some future time, and of inviting a ge. all matters connected with the titles to neral discussion which could lead to no land, made him, of course, a great aupractical result; and, with great deference thority on all these things; but their Lord. to his noble and learned Friend, he must ships must observe, that the question of repeat that observation on the present oc facilitating the transfer of titles and the casion. The course which his noble and registration of titles was not a legal queslearned Friend had adopted appeared to be tion, but was a question of expediency and not only inconvenient, but highly irregular, of social policy, on which many of their for the greater part of the noble and learn- Lordships were quite as competent to ed Lord's observations were directed to decide as his noble and learned Friend. Bills which at present were in the other with respect to the remarks made in reHouse of Parliament, and he believed that ference to the Report of the Commissions it was contrary to their Lordships' rules on the registration titles in 1857, he trustto notice any such measures, and much ed that all their Lordships who took interest more to discuss them and consider them in in the subject would read that Report care: detail. His noble and learned Friend fully, because they would find that its reseemed disappointed that these measures commendations had been embodied in the were not introduced in the first place in measures proposed by the Government. And their Lordships' llouse, and seemed to who framed that Report ? He did not mean bave taken this mode of indemnifying him- to say that any one lawyer could be placed self for the loss of the opportunity which on an equal line with his noble and learned he would have had of addressing their Friend, but it was no disparagement to him Lordships if thuse measures bad been ori. to say that, taking any two lawyers who ginally introduced into this House.' Upon joined in that Report, they might be conthis point he would merely observe that it sidered to constitute an equal authority with was thought a proper division of labour in his noble and learned Friend. Upon that respect to the Government measures that Commission were his right hon. Friend the a certain portion should first be originated Secretary of State for the Home Departin their Lordships' House, and that another ment, the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, Sir portion should be originated in the other R. Bethell, and other lawyers of considerHouse; and be thought he had undertaken able eminence, together with practical men a task quite sufficient for himself in intro- of business, the present Speaker of the ducing the Bankruptcy Bill and the Bill House of Commons, Mr. 'Lowe, and a for winding up joint-stock companies. His solicitor of considerable eminence. All noble and learned Friend would, perhaps, these persons united in the Report to which as some atonement for the irregularity he his noble and learned Friend had directed had committed, allow that the speech made their Lordships' attention, and which he that evening should be taken as applicable trusted would be carefully considered before to the measures commented on when they the Bills, to which allusion had been made, came before their Lordships, and his noble came up to that House for discussion. The and learned Friend would then, probably, giving à Parliamentary title and the regisgive the House the benefit of his great ex- tration of that title were two matters perience and learning, not in discussing totally distinct, though they sometimes apthe general principles of the Bills, but in peared to be confused together. There improving the details and making them as might be a registration of title without a perfect as possible. He did not under- Parliamentary title, and a Parliamentary stand whether his noble and learned Friend title without registration. If Parliament stated that he was not opposed to every determined, however, to follow the plan syetem of registration. (Lord St. LEO- pursued with such success in Ireland, and NARDS : I am not opposed to every system. ] to give a Parliamentary title in England, He was glad to find that his noble and then, as a complement to such a measure, learned Friend so expressed himself, be it would be necessary to have a registration cause he had collected from his noble and of that title. He felt a difficulty either in learned Friend's works, and from that va- entering into a discussion at the present luable book lately published — which, as it moment or in waiving that discussion after was intended, was eminently practical
, the speech of his noble and learned Friend. and was in everybody's hands—that bis He thought it, however, infinitely better noble and learned Friend was of a different not to follow the most inconvenient and opinion. The great learning of his noble most irregular course adopted by his noble and learned Friend. And he trusted that understand the many allusions made by their Lordships would keep their minds the noble and learned Lord in his speech, perfectly free and impartial for the con- probably because he was not fully acquaintsideration of this measure when it was ed with the provisions of the Bill that had presented to them, and that they would been introduced in the other House. He not be influenced by the observations of had certainly looked at the Bill, but not his noble and learned Friend merely because sufficiently to have been enabled to form he thought it not consistent with his duty any conclusions as to it. to give an answer to his noble and learned LORD BROUGHAM said, that if he had Friend at the present moment.
been opposed to the Bill in all respects, he LORD BROUGHAM said, that whatever should still wish the statements and opinions might be the inconvenience and irregularity of his noble and learned Friend upon the of the course taken by his noble and learned subject to go forth to the public, and he Friend, he rather rejoiced that he had not hoped that he would adopt the course he waited until the Government Bill came suggested. before their Lordships, because his noble
House adjourned at a quarter before and learned Friend's statements were of
Seven o'clock, to Thursday next, the greatest importance in elucidating the
half-past Ten o'clock, subject, and preparing the minds of Members of both Houses for its due consideration.' He wished that every person both in that and the other House of Parliament had heard the speech of his noble and HOUSE OF COMMONS, learned Friend, and he trusted that he would adopt the course pursued by the Tuesday, February 22, 1859. Solicitor General on this subject, and take care that an accurate account should go
PUBLIC Bills.—1° Adulteration of Food or Drink ;
Conveyance of Voters ; Manslaughter; Eviforth of the very valuable statements made
dence by Commission. by him.
2o Municipal Elections. LORD CRANWORTH said, that some misconception appeared to prevail upon the
THE NEW TERRITORIES IN INDIA. Bill which he had the honour of introducing into their Lordships' House in 1853, rela
QUESTION. tive to the registration of assurances. MR. KINNAIRD said, he wished to ask Their Lordships passed that Bill, and it the Secretary of State for India whether went down to the other House, but it was orders have been sent out to the Governan error to say that it fell stillborn there. ment of India for the introduction of a Bill It was read a second time and referred to making it penal for any European to enter a Select Committee, and that Committee or reside in any of the new territories, Nagrecommended a Royal Commission to in. pore, Oude, Pegu, and others, without a quire into the whole subject. The Govern- licence, or to remain after the licence is ment appointed a Royal Commission at withdrawn? And if such orders have been the end of 1853, which made inquiry, and sent out, Copy thereof. at the end of 1857 prepared the Report to LORD STANLEY said, that no order to which bis noble and learned Friend had the effect stated had been sent out to the called the attention of their Lordships. In | Government of India, nor was it intended consequence of that Report and during the to instruct the Government of India to recess he directed his attention to the introduce a Bill making it penal to enter subject, and a Bill was framed by the late without a licence into any of the new terGovernment which he laid upon their Lord. ritories alluded to. But in fairness to the ships' table in the first week of the Ses- hon. Gentleman, he (Lord Stanley) ought sion of 1858. He would admit that this to explain the circumstances which have Bill did not meet with much favour in the probably given rise to the question. By other House, but, although it differed from the Act of 1833 it was declared illegal for the measure of the present Solicitor Gene- any European to enter into or to reral in niany particulars, it was, in its main side in, without a licence, any of the terfeatures, substantially the same, giving an ritories acquired by the East India Comindefeasible title upon the sale and trans- pany since the 1st of January, 1800. It fer of land. With respect to the subject was left to the Governor General of India before their Lordships, he certainly did not to frame laws to enforce that Act, and
accordingly a penalty on its infringement THE QUEEN'S COLLEGES IN IRELAND, was inserted into all the drafts of the code
QUESTION which had been so long under consideration
LORD DUNKELLIN said, he wished to by the Legislative Council at Calcutta. ask the Chief Secretary for Ireland wheBut that code had never become law. The ther Her Majesty's Government propose Government of India had recently exer- taking any steps to give effect to the cised a power of preventing the entrance suggestions contained in the Report of the into or the residence in the lately acquired Commissioners appointed by Her Majesty states, without the proper sanction.
to inquire into the condition and progress puwer had been exercised in Nagpore of the Queen's Colleges in Ireland? against Major Ouseley, who subsequently
LORD NAAS said, his noble Friend bronght an action in the Supreme Court of would recollect that one of the principal Calcutta, which resulted in a verdict, with recommendations of the Commissioners was damages against the Government. The state that the Presidents of the Colleges should of India, therefore, presented this anomaly, permanently reside therein. As soon as there was an Act of Parliament by which the Report was published, he made a com. the Legislature of this country declared munication to the heads of the three Colexpressly that the presence of Europeans leges, drawing their attention to the sugin certain of the territories of India was an
gestions made in their Report on that sub. offence against the law, but for this act, ject. He was happy to say that each of confessedly a violation of law, no penalty the Presidents replied in the frankest was provided, and the authorities were manner, and stated that it was their inunable to enforce it. They had been di- tention to act up to the recommendations, rected to take into consideration the state and that for the future they would make of the law, and to decide what steps should the Colleges their home in the sense exbe taken to amend it; but more recently pressed by the Commissioners. As to the instructions had been sent out to postpone recommendation relative to the increase of definitive action until they should hear the salaries of the Professors, that subject again from the Government in this country was under consideration ; but he could not But whatever step might be taken with say it was the present intention of the Goregard to preventing Europeans entering vernment to propose any other alteration the Native states, it certainly never was in these institutions. intended to enforce that part of the Act of 1833 which limited the right of Europeans
THE CONSULAR ESTABLISHMENT AT to reside in the British territories.
MR. WISE said, he had to ask the THE PRINCIPALITY OF DAAR.
Under Secretary of State for Foreign QUESTION.
Affairs what is the proposed Consular MR. J. B. SMITH said, he begged to Establishment in Japan, and what will be ask the Secretary of State for India whe- the salaries of the Consul General or Conther any steps have been taken by the Go sul, of the Vice Consuls, and of the other vernment of India to carry into effect the officials connected with the Consulates at orders of the Home Government, to re- Jeddo, Sinoda, &c.; and whether it is true store the Principality of Dhar to its Native that Mr. Hare, lately in the Royal Horse rulers ?
Guards, has been appointed Vice Consul at LORD STANLEY said, a letter had been Simoda. sent to the Government of India upon the LORD JOHN RUSSELL said, he also subject referred to, in the month of June wished to ask the Under Secretary for Foor July last, but no official reply to that reign Affairs a question, of which he had despatch had been since received. A pri- given notice. In looking over the papers vate letter, however, from Lord Can respecting the Charles et Georges affair, ning, dated the 28th of August, had he was unable to find the despatch which reached him, in which reference was had been lately published in the public made to the difficulties which surrounded newspapers, from the Earl of Clarendon, the question of the restoration of the Prin- urging the Portuguese Government to put cipality of Dhar, and it was intimated an end to everything like the slave trade that an official communication would short- in their dominions. If there were such ly follow. None such, however, had ar- a despatch in existence, he wished to rived.
ask whether there was any objection to
lay a copy of it upon the table of the with anxiety at the largeness of the grants, House ?
the best means of ascertaining whether the MR. SEYMOUR FITZGERALD said, expenditure secured an adequate return. that in reply to the noble Lord he had to Of all blue-books, the Reports of the School state that there was such a despatch as he Inspectors had the most readers. They alluded to,
that it was not given in the were full of interest to managers of Charles et Georges papers laid before the schools. Schoolinasters were as proud House, because it had already appeared of being hoạourably mentioned in those in the Slave Trade papers which had been documents, as soldiers were of appearpresented to Parlianient. If it were con ing in a general's despatch. They en. sidered more convenient by the House to lightened the public about popular eduhave that document placed on the table cation and contributed to the formation of in a separate form), he should have no ob- public opinion on the subject. Instructions jection to produce it. In reference to the had been from time to time given with re. question of the hon. Member for Stafford, spect to these Reports—that they should the proposed Consular Establishment in be concise and practical, and that the comJapan would be constituted as follows, pilers of them should avoid vague speculanamely, in Jeddo, there would be a Con- tions, and find the materials in the circumsul General, with a salary of £1,800 a stances of the schools which they inspected. year; a Vice Consul, £750; an Interpreter, From 1844 up to the present year the £500; an Assistant Interpreter, £405; annual Reports of the Inspectors of Schools two Student Interpreters, £200 each. In them-elves had been published; but the Nagasaki, a Consul with £500 a year ; new circular announced that a general an Interpreter, £500; an Assistant Inter- Report to Her Majesty from the Committee preter, £324. In Hakodadi, the Consular of the Privy Council for Education would arrangements and salaries were the same be substituted for those Reports. Henceas Nagasaki. In reference to the latter forth, the Reports of the Inspectors would part of the question of the hon. Member, not be given to Parliament, but would be as to “ whether it is true that Mr. Hare, made use of as materials for the Reports of lately in the Royal Horse Guards, has the Education Department. This was open been appointed Vice Consul at Simoda, to great objection. These Reports should he (Mr. FitzGerald) begged to say that be impartial, and independent, and attracMr. Hare had not been appointed to the tive. The impartiality of extracts would post of Vice Consul at Simoda, nor to any be questioned. People were influenced by other post in Japan or China ; nor had it their opinions in estimating the relative ever been in the contemplation of the Go- importance of different parts of a Report. vernment to appoint that gentleman to any The Vice-President of the Education Deeuch office.
partment might think it most important to
extract what favoured the existing system, REPORTS OF INSPECTORS OF EDUCA- while the Member for Droitwich might TION.-MOTION.
attach greater value to passages which MR. W. COWPER £aid, he rose to call spoke of ita deficiencies ; when these Reattention to the Circular of the Committee ports had been digested and perhaps assiof Council on Education, dated the 22nd milated in the Department, they might day of May, 1858, and to make a Motion / acquire a meaning different from their oriin connection with this subject. He was ginal intention. Parliament wanted the sorry to find fault with anything which had genuine expression of experienced and able been done by the right hon. Gentleman men in their own words, and not in seopposite ; but the letter in question had lected fragments. A selection would want given much dissatisfaction among per- ivdependence. Amongst other things the sons interested in education ; it had been Inspectors had to state the impressions strongly protested against by the Inspectors they found prevailing in their districts as of schools, it was so mischievous, and so to the minutes of the Committee of Council, faulty in principle, that it was his duty to and as to the regulations which the Govern. appeal to the House, with a view of ob- ment had made. It might frequently be taining its reconsideration. The inspection their duty to report that certain regulations of schools was the keystone of the edifice had failed to meet the wants and desires which during many years they had been of the persons engaged in education in raising on the foundation of Parliamentary their district, and had not worked well in grants, and it afforded to those who looked practice ; or, on the contrary, they might
have to report that the measures of the mischievous. There could hardly be a Committee of Council were generally ap- greater drawback to the progress of eduproved of. Such observations came appro cation than to discontinue their publicapriately from the Inspectors as impartial tion, and if the renson for so doing was to and independent witnesses, but would be save the expense of printing, then considerill-placed in a Report composed by the head ing that the Reports of these Inspectors of the department. One advantage of these were the best guarantee that existed for Reports had been that they had not com- the proper expenditure of an amouut of bined to promote any one particular plan £620,000, it would be the most absurd or method, but they gave the authentic penny-wise and-pound-foolish kind of savimpressions produced on different minds ing that was ever proposed. With regard by experience in different parts of the to the discontinuance of the tabulated recountry, and were very practical both in turn of schools, he was now given to untheir facts and inferences ; but if these derstand that the right hon. Gentleman Reports were to be superseded by an ag- opposite would abandon that part of the gregate Report, this multiform character new regulation. From the circular letwould be lost in the general impression of ter of June last, it appeared that the the Minister of Education. A condensed Reports on individual schools would no summary, moreover, prepared in the office, longer be printed, but communicated in would not be so interesting or so much manuscript to the several schools. This read as the personal narratives. The heads was indeed a retrograde step, in the nine, of other departments did not profess to teenth century, to give up printing, and assume any such functions. It was true return to manuscript. In conclusion, this that the Poor-law Board did make a circular would retard the progress of edustatement of statistical facts and figures, cation, and would establish a bad precedent but they did not make an abridgment for other official Departments. The right of the Reports of the Poor-law Inspectors, hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, and it would not be desirable that the “That an humble Address be presented to ler Home Secretary should assume au- Majesty, praying that the General Reports of Her thorship with respect to the Reports of Majesty's Inspectors, when prepared in accord
ance with the instructions of the Committee of the Inspectors of prisons and factories, Council on Education, should continue to be laid instead of presenting them as they were upon the Table of the House unaltered and unwritten. If the Committee of Educa- abridged ; and that the detailed Reports, tabution undertook to select passages from lated according to districts, should be printed and these Reports for publication, they would
made public as heretofore." be regarded as responsible for whatever
Question proposed. they inserted, just as in countries where a MR. ADDERLEY said, he thought he censorship of the press existed, everything should be able to remove from the mind of which was allowed to appear was presumed the right hon. Gentleman a great deal of to have the sanction of the Government. misapprehension upon which this Motion It was alleged on the other side, that the was based. The Motion was somewhat Reports of the Inspectors were not in all different in form to what it was when respects such as ought to be published, first entered upon the notice paper. He but the Committee of Council had it in had told the right hon. Gentleman that their power to lay down the strictest rules his only objection to the Motion in its with regard to the character and nature of original form was, that it would call on the Reports they desired to have sent the House of Commons to affirm that up to them. By the original agreement it was right to do that, which, in fact, between the Committee of Council and was actually being done at this time. the Bishops, with respect to the National The right hon. Gentleman, in consequence Schools, it was agreed that the Report of of that remark, had introduced the words, the Inspectors should be shown to the “ unaltered and unabridged ;" but he (Mr. Bishop of the diocese in which the schools Adderley) could not consent to that addi. were situated ; so that the Bishops must tion. There were two kinds of Reports still see the Reports of which Parliament referred to in the Motion, and it was neceswas to be deprived. For these reasons, sary to distinguish between them. There he urged the expediency of allowing the were, first, the general Reports of the Inoriginal Reports to appear unaltered and spectors, which were now presented by the unabridged. The withdrawal of publicity Education Department to Parliament; and from the tabulated Reports would be most there were, secondly, the detailed Reports