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moment he had been in utter uncertainty | fectly authentic and correct. The noble as to when this matter would be brought Earl also asks whether the reforma embefore the House, and he did not think it braced in that Message, and in the comfair to a great number of hon. Gentlemen munications attached to it, were sanctioned who shared his convictions on the subject, by Her Majesty's Government. Just let that the House should be moved in this me remind the House first of the position manner in their absence.

and circumstances of this question. Last Resolved—That any person professing autumn, serious difficulties having arisen the Jewish Religion may henceforth, in difficulties threatening to make themtaking the Oath prescribed in an Act of selves felt in the internal administration of the last Session of Parliament to entitle the Ionian Islands—iny right hon. Friend him to sit and vote in this House, omit at the head of the Colonial Office felt that the words " and I make this declaration the first step to be taken in this matter was upon the true faith of a Christian," to obtain accurate information on the points

Baron Mayer Amschel de Rothschild connected with the alleged grievances and being again come to the Table, desired to anomalies. Accurate information could be sworn on the Old Testanient, as being only be obtained by local inquiry in the binding on his conscience: Whereupon the Ionian Islands themselves; and, knowing Clerk reported the matter to Mr. Speaker, the importance of obtaining an impartial who then desired the Clerk to swear him judgment on the subject, he proposed to upon the Old Testament.

Mr. Gladstone to undertake the task of Baron Mayer Amschel de Rothschild a special mission for that purpose. Mr. was sworn accordingly, and subscribed the Gladstone accepted that task, and received Oath at the Table.

before leaving this country full instrucHouse adjourned at Three o'clock. tions and communications, many of them

of a confidential nature. On his arri.

val at Corfu he addressed himself with HOUSE OF LORDS,

extreme ability and with indefatigable

patience to an inquiry into the alleged Thursday, February 17, 1859. grievances; and after a very full investiga

tion he communicated to Her Majesty's Minutes.] Public Bills.—1« Ecton and Walton Government first of all those facts with

Exchange. 3. Law of Property and Trustees Relief Amend- which he conceived it necessary for them

to be acquainted ; and, secondly, recom

mendations of a remedial character which THE IONIAN ISLANDS.-QUESTION. he thought it necessary to propose. Both

EARL GREY : My Lords, I wish to ask those reports were taken into serious conthe noble Lord the Under Secretary of sideration by Her Majesty's Government, State for the Colonies whether the account and the recommendations of Mr. Gladwhich has recently appeared in the news- stone were approved. About that time papers of certain proposals for a change in circumstances took place, into which it is the constitution of the Ionian Islands hav.. unnecessary for me to enter, which occaing been recommended by Mr. Gladstone, sioned a vacancy in the office of Lord High Her Majesty's Lord [Iigh Commissioner Commissioner. My right hon. Friend at to the Ionian Parliament, is authentic ; the head of the Colonial Department-feeland, if so, whether those proposals have ling the weight and authority of the promet with the approval of Her Majesty's posals which Mr. Gladstone had recomGovernment; and, also, whether there will mended for adoption, and which had been be any objection to lay on the table of the concurred in by Her Majesty's Government, House the correspondence which has passed and feeling also with how much greater upon the subject.

weight and authority those proposals would The EARL OF CARNARVON : My come from a person possessing the conLords, in answer to the question which fidence of the Ionian people and one who the noble Earl has put so briefly and had made himself completely master of the distinctly, I have to say, first of all, as subject proposed to Mr. Gladstone to unregards the report which appeared in the dertake provisionally the duties of Lord newspapers two days since of the Message High Commissioner, and to that proposicommunicated by Mr. Gladstone in his tion Mr. Gladstone consented, in order to capacity of Lord High Commissioner to give substantial effect to his own recomthe Ionian Islands, that that report is per- mendations. This has been done, and the


Seventeen Resolutions and the Message to render it, in my opinion, highly impolitic which the noble Earl has alluded embody that the papers connected with this subject the formal expression of the recommenda- should be laid on the table of the House tions which he made to the Government, will equally apply on the part of Her and which the Government has approved. 1 Majesty's Government with regard to a pass now to the last part of the noble Earl's discussion of the question at the present question, as to the laying the corres- moment. Although of course it rests with pondence on the table of the House. I the noble Earl opposite to say whether he regret very much that I am unable to give will be satisfied with the explanation that the noble Earl an answer in the affirmative. has been given, I must not only on the The whole Correspondence, with some few part of Her Majesty's Government refuse exceptions, bears on those questions which the production of these papers, but I must, are at this very moment submitted to the under present circumstances, decline to consideration of the Ionian Assembly ; and enter into a discussion of this matter. I cannot conceive anything more like- THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH: It ly seriously to prejudice the issue of is admitted that the papers in question, those deliberations, and to affect unsatis- under present circumstances, cannot be factorily the whole proceedings in this produced, and that discussion may be danmatter, than the publication of these papers gerous; but I wish to ask my noble Friend at this moment. I therefore trust the noble the Under-Secretary for the Colonies in Earl will not press that point. I can what manner, supposing the constitution to assure him that as

8001 as the Ionian be accepted, the Lord Îligh Commissioner Assembly have pronounced their decision, is to be enabled to dismiss the Ministry if and have either accepted or refused the the Ministry should not be willing to go propositions made to them, and that the out? Under the Constitution every Act matter is in a condition to be brought before must be countersigned by the Minister, Parliament, there will be no delay on the and therefore, unless the Ministry consent part of Her Majesty's Government to pre- to their own elimination, it is quite imsent to the House any papers which may be possible to remove them. Nor is it possible necessary for the due consideration or dis. for the Lord High Commissioner either to cussion of the subject.

prorogue or dissolve the Parliament withEARL GREY : My Lords, I think it is out the consent of the existing Ministryquite reasonable, when serious questions prorogation or dissolution being the only of this sort are pending, that no demand means of enabling him to extricate himself should be made for the production of pa. from their power. I perceive, also, that pers relating to thenı ; but we cannot dis- one of the recommendations, as I underguise from ourselves that in respect to this stand them, of the Lord High Commismatter there is a possibility, at all events, sioner is, that the Senate shall have a of steps being taken-and if once taken longer duration than the Assembly; and, they will be irrevocable—that may lead to if that be the case, it may be impossible very serious consequences.

Before these to dissolve both the Senate and the Assemsteps are taken, I think it necessary that bly simultaneously. There is another point. this subject should be discussed by your The majority of the Senate is to be elected Lordships' House ; and, therefore, though by somebody different to that which elects I certainly will not press for papers which the Assembly, the result of which would in Her Majesty's Government on their re- all probability be that the Ministers will sponsibility declare cannot be produced, I always obtain a majority in the Senate ; shall on Monday next move an Address and as it is only by means of the Senate to the Crown for the production of papers that alterations in the law could be introin order that with such information as we duced into the Assembly, the Senate being now possess we may discuss this very im- elected for a longer period than the Assemportant subject, and that Her Majesty's bly, if the Ministry had a constant maGovernment may state more clearly than jority there they would possess more power they can do at this moment their grounds than I think will be at all convenient. for objecting to the production of those THE EARL OF DERBY: I think your papers. I hope that before I make that Lordships must see the inconvenience of Motion a certain portion of those papers discussing, in the very partial manner in Day, at all events, be produced.

which it is possible to

them, ques. THE EARL OF DERBY: I think it tions on which we have very imperfect and right to say that the same motives which inadequate information. My noble Friend 467 Law of Property and Trustees {LORDS} Relief Amendment Bill. 468 seems to forget that if we are to enter | may think desirable, and it will be for Her upon this subject we shall be going into Majesty to decide whether She will accept the discussion of questions which, in the or reject such modifications. form of Resolutions, are to come for con. LORD STANLEY OF ALDERLEY: I sideration before the Legislature of the in- hope the noble Earl does not mean to condependent Republic of the Ionian Islands. tend that it would not be competent to the In that Legislature all these questions are Imperial Parliament to express an opinion about to be discussed, and the recommen- on the propriety or the impropriety of the dations brought forward by Mr. Gladstone course pursued by Mr. Gladstone, with the are to be considered, for the purpose of sanction of the Government, in submitting eliciting the opinion of the people of the such Resolutions to the Ionian Legislature. lonian Islands, When that opinion has The EARL OF DERBY: It will be perbeen ascertained it will be the duty of that fectly competent to the Members of either Legislature to embody it in an Act accord- House of Parliament to pronounce an opining to the constitution of the country, and ion upon that point if they shall think fit. that Act can be of no force until it has But I must, in the performance of my pubreceived the sanction of the Crown, For lic duty, oppose any attempt to raise any these reasons it appears to me to be incon- discussion in this House upon proposals venient to discuss these questions before which are still under the consideration of the Legislative Assembly of the Ionian the Ionian Legislature. Islands has come to some decision re- THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH: specting them. I think that by doing so These are the expressions which I found we may place the matter in a very false in Mr. Gladstone's speech position. Her Majesty's Government have “ The points which I have now named to you no control over ihe Ionian Islands. By are those which appear to be essential to a benetreaty Her Majesty is the protecting Power, quisite that I should give you fully to understand

ficial readjustment of your constitution. It is rebut also by treaty those Islands form the that the few but important provisions I have reindependent Septinsular Republic. Their commended as guarantees for tranquil and stable legislation is not subject to the control of government are tendered to you as a whole.” the British Parliament, although it re- THE EARL OF DERBY: You have not quires the sanction of Her Majesty ; and read the whole. upon that sanction being given or with- THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGII: I held it is open to Parliament to pronounce will. He proceeds to say :-an opinion upon the propriety of the course

“ Any vote impairing any of these would be thus adopted.

fatal to the entire plan ; and I must add, with THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH: I respect to all the leading points I have touched, understand distinctly from the published that England has kept nothing in reserve; and account of Mr. Gladstone's speech, which, laid down, you may find advantage in dealing with is no doubt, authentic, that these proposi- them generally, and declining to accept them. I tions have been laid before the Assembly, feel certain that in any case the Assembly will to be adopted or rejected by them en bloc, meet the question frankly; and that, mindful of and that that borly is not to be allowed to evade by indirect measures the duty of uttering

its dignity, it will discountenance any attempt to alter them in any way, but must take the a clear and intelligible opinion upon proposals whole or none.

of such great moment to the Ionian people. In The EARL OF DERBY: I think my that spirit I act when I inform you that any vote, noble Friend is under a misapprehension such as to alter materially their character, would but this is a proof of the inconvenience of

shake the whole fabric to its base, and might at

any stage annul the labours previously spent by discussing this matter now. No doubt, rendering it needful that the whole subject should Mr. Gladstone's statement is, that these be reconsidered.” propositions are to be considered as form

It appears, therefore, that the Assembly ing a whole, and that it is not competent are not to be allowed to introduce any moto the Ionian Legislature to give their dification into the scheme. assent to such portion of the plan as may secure the attainment of their special ob. LAW OF PROPERTY AND TRUSTEES jects, while they reject that portion of it RELIEF AMENDMENT BILL. which affords securities for the mainte- LORD ST. LEONARDS moved that the nance of the authority of the Crown. Full Bill be now read a third time. permission, however, is given to the Ionian THE EARL OF DERBY said, he did not Legislature to suggest any modifications wish to offer any impediment to the passing in the details of ihe scheme which they of the measure, but he thought it right to state that his attention had been called to | Government the propriety of altering that one of the clauses, which, in the opinion of provision under which government property the Board of Customs, would materially was at present exempt from the payment interfere with the securities given for the of local rates. That state of the law was due collection and transmission of the pub- productive of great hardship and injustice. Jic revenue. The 25th Clause provided in The EARL OF DERBY said, that notice general terms that no judgment or security of the introduction of a Bill to remedy upon land shall be valid against a bonâ fide that grievance had already been given in purchaser, whether such purchaser have the other House. notice of such bond or not, unless execu- Bill read 39 (according to order); an tion shall have been obtained before the Amendment made ; Bill passed, and sent disposal of the property. Up to 1839 all to the Commons. obligations to the Crown were binding upon purchasers of land under charge ; but in ECTON AND WALTON EXCHANGE BILL. that year

his noble Friend (Lord St. THE Earl OF DERBY laid upon the Leonards) introduced a measure relieving table a Bill to effect an exchange of a bona fide purchaser from liability unless Ecclesiastical Patronage between Her the charge had been duly registered ac- Majesty the Queen, and Miss Sophia cording to a form prescribed by the Act. Broadley. No such exchange could, under Under that Act the Commissioners of Cus. the present state of the law, be effected toms bad proceeded in taking bonds from without the sanction of Parliament, and collectors charged upon land ; but if the the propriety of altering that law was a proposal in the Bill were adopted such point which he would not then undertake bonds would become personal only. He to discuss. The particular occasion which should not oppose the third reading, but had given rise to the framing of that thought it unlikely that the clause would measure was an offer made by a lady to pass the other House.

exchange an advowson in her possession LORD ST. LEONARDS said, the Bill for two advowsons held by the Crown, her passed this House, and had been in the intention being to build new schools and Other House løst Session, when no objec- to effect other improvements in those protion had been taken to the 25th clause, perties. He might add that the Archalthough another clause was struck out. bishop of York and the Bishop of RochesThe tendency of present legislation was to ter, in whose dioceses these two livings give a clear title to a bona fide purchaser, were respectively situated, had given their even at the risk of barring existing charges. assent to the proposal, and that in introupon land. It was upon this principle that ducing a public instead of a private Bill Her Majesty's Government had themselves upon the subject he was but following the proceeded in drawing the two Bills which, precedents of 1848, in the cases of Lord much to their credit, had a few eveninys Leigh ard Lord Leicester, between whom since been introduced by the Solicitor Ge- and the Crown a similar transfer had taken neral in the other House. This measure place. had been farourably received by the other LORD BROUGHAM was of opinion that House as well as by the general body of it would be of the greatest possible adsolicitors. He had a strong opinion that no vantage not only to the interests of the fiscal law ought to impede the creation of Church, but of private individuals, that a clear title between one man and another. such transactions as that to which the Bill A judgment was one of the greatest im- related should be made the subject of a pediments, because it was a floating kind general law. of security ; but the Bill was not intended

Bill read 19. to deprive the holder of the judgment of

llouse adjourned at Six o'clock, any of his rights against the person giving

till To-morrow half past

Ten o'clock. it. Those rights remained the same as at present ; but upon a sale the judgment creditor would have his claim upon the purchase money: He saw no reason why

HOUSE OF COMMONS, any exception should be made in the case

Thursday, February 17, 1859. of the Government to the disadvantage of a bona fide purchaser of property.

MINUTES.] New Writ ISSUED. — For Maryle

bone, v. Viscount Ebrington, Manor of NorthLORD CAMPBELL said, he wished to

stead. take that opportunity of suggesting to the New MEMBERS SWORN.— For Greenwich, Alder

man David Salomons, being a person professing ment would wait until they had received the Jewish Religion, took and subscribed the the recommendations of the local GovernOath required by Law, and in pursuance of the

ment. Resolution of the House of the 16th February;

With regard to the fourth Ques-for Galway Town, John Orrell Lever, esq.

tion the Report would undoubtedly, as a PUBLIC Bills.—1° Real Estate Intestacy ; Juries public document, be laid on the table of

(Ireland); Edinburgh, &c., Annuity Tax; the House. To the last Question, he felt Newspapers, &c. 2o Registration of County Voters (Scotland).

some difficulty in giving a more definite reply than that he thought it would be an

ill-advised step on the part of any GovernTIIE PERSIAN EXPEDITION.—THE ment to take any decisive steps in so imINDIAN ARMY, &c.

portant a matter without giving time for the QUESTION.

full and free expression of public opinion. COLONEL SYKES begged to ask the Secretary of State for India whether extra

TELEGRAPII TO ALEXANDRIA. Batta will be given to the Troops of the

QUESTION. successful Persian Expedition, having re- MR. CRAWFORD begged to ask Mr. ference to the privations and inconve. Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it niences to which the force was exposed on was true, as reported, that Her Majesty's board ship, particularly the Native portion Government had concluded a Convention of the force ; whether the recommenda with the Austrian Government for the tions by Brigadier General Jacob, dated establishment of a line of Telegraphic Bushire, 13th of July, 1857, of certain Communication with Alexandria, on the Officers and Men for the Victoria Cross, is principle of a financial guarantee on the to be carried into effect; whether the Ci- part of this country; and, if so, when a vilians who have distinguished themselves | Copy of the said Convention will be laid in a military capacity during the Mutiny in on the table. India are to have any specific mark of the THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. approbation of Her Maje-ty's Government; QUER said, it was not true that Her Mawhether the Report of the Commission jesty's Government had entered into a upon the fieorganization of the Indian Convention with the Austrian Government; Army will be laid upon the table of the but the terms on which such a Convention House; and whether, as the maintenance would probably be concluded had been of a Standing Army under the Crown, in- settled, and when the Convention was condependently of the Annual Mutiny Act, cluded it would, of course, be laid on the involves a Constitutional question, time table of the House. If it were carried will be given to the House to consider any out on the terms which had been agreed recommendations in the Report before they upon it would include a financial guaranare carried into effect ?

tee, but not an unconditional guarantee. LORD STANLEY said, that with reference to the first Question, he understood

PARLIAMENTARY REFORM (IRELAND). that it was not usual to grant such in.

QUESTION. dulgences as those to which the hon. and MR. BLAND asked the Chief Secretary gallant Member referred, except upon the for Ireland whether Her Majesty's Governrecommendation of the Government of In- ment intend to bring in a Bill to amend dia, and in the present case no such recom- | the Laws relating to the Representation of mendation had been received. With re- the people in Ireland this Session ; and, gard to the second Question, he had made if so, whether he can state about what inquiries for the list of officers and men time? recommended by General Jacob for the THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEVictoria Cross, and he was told that it had QUER said, that with the permission of not been yet officially received from India. the House he would propose to defer anWith regard to the third Question, two swering questions respecting future Redespatches had been sent to the Gover- form Bills until the 28th instant, when he nor General of India--the last in Septem- should make a general statement on the ber, but as yet no answer had been received subject.

- to inquire for a list of civilians who had distinguished themselves by military ser

CHINESE TARIFF AND TRADE REGULAvices during the mutiny. It was undoubt

TIONS.-QUESTION. edly proper that they should be rewarded; Mr. GREGSON asked the Under Sebut with regard to the manner the Gover- cretary for Foreign Affairs if the Copies

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