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quently used there. The memorandum | House a letter from the Adjutant General was as follows:
of the Army to the Secretary of the Go“ Each reigiment of Native Infantry received vernment of India, which proved that the instructions to detach one smart officer and a authorities were aware of the dangerous party of Sepoys to the school of instruction, for grounds upon which they were treading : practice in the use of the Enfield rifle. The 36th Native Infantry, at the time of the is
“ Head-quarters, Simla, May 4, 1857. sue of these instructions, composed part of the escourt of the Commander in Chief, General
“Sir,—Referring to previous correspondence Anson. The quota furnished by this corps left regarding the target practice of the Native detachhis Excellency's camp at Agra for the school of ments at the several rifle depôts, the CommanderMusketry at Umballah, commanded by a promis- Right Hon. the Governor General in Council to
in-Chief considers it will be satisfactory to the ing young officer, Leiutenant A. W. Craigie learn that at all three depôts the practice has been (since dead of wounds received at Narnoul, in the encounter with the Joudpore Legion). The Com- commenced, and that the men of all grades have mander in Chief continued his tour of inspection, unhesitatingly and cheerfully used the new cart
ridges. and after passing through Bareilly arrived at
In communicating this information to Umballah (in March or April, 1857). The de
his Lordship, I am to beg you will be good enough tachment of the 36th came out to meet their dressed to officers commanding regiments, enjoin
to add that a confidential circular has been adregiment on its marching into the station, but were repulsed by their comrades, and by the ing upon them to take every precaution in their native officers of their regiment, and were declared power to prevent the depôt men upon their re“ Hookah panee bund,” or excommunicated, in joining their corps being subjected to any taunting consequence of their having lost caste by the use
or ill-usage from their comrades with reference to of polluted cartridges at the school of Enfield rifle
their having used the Enfield rifle cartridges at instruction. The men explained to their regiment
“I have the honour to be, &c., that there was nothing polluting in the cartridges and nothing which any Hindoo or Mussulman could
“ C. CHESTER, Colonel." object to. The regiment was deaf to their expla- He Colonel Sykes had carefully read pations, and treated them as outcasts. The unhappy men then repaired to their officer, Lieu
over his speech of August 1lth, 1857, and tenant Craigie, and informed him of the fact. he had not a word to alter or unsay in it, Wringing their hands, and with tears in their eyes, and the documents he asked for would they described their miserable state. They said testify to its accuracy. If the documents that they were convinced of the purity of the he now moved for appeared to gainsay their families would refuse to receive them after anything that had fallen from him, he woulă what had happened in the regiment. The circum- willingly acknowledge his error, but till they stances were brought before the officer command did so would emphatically repeat the ing the depôt, who communicated with the officer opinion he had before expressed, that commanding the 36th Native Infantry.
This officer assembled the Native officers, stated to
nothing but the most lamentable ignorance them the facts as reported to him, and censured of the Native character, the most pitiable them severely for permitting such unwarrant
want of tact, and indifference to Native able treatment of the men. The Native officers prejudices caused the outbreak at Meerut, replied that there was no substance in the com- and that when it broke out nothing but the plaint, and that the refusal to eat or smoke the hookah with the men of the depôt had been simply most fatuous inaction prevented it froni a jest. Here, unfortunately, the matter being crushed out. With two European permitted to rest, and such was the prevail. regiments at hand, the men might have ing conviction in the minds of the Natives on this been prevented from getting to Delhi, and question that the unhappy detachment of the 36th Native Infantry attending the school were never
a mutiny, which had cost 100,000 lives and acknowledged again by their regiment.
twenty millions of money might have been On a former occasion he (Colonel Sykes)
He would therefore move,
avoided. explained to the House the diredful conse- “That an humble Address be presented to Her quences of this communication, involving Majesty, praying that she will be graciously social degradation, breaking the dearest pleased to give directions that there be laid before
this House, Copies of all Correspondence between family ties, and affecting the future state the Commander in Chiet’s and Judge Advocate of the outcast. These facts were known General's Departments and the Military Authoriat the neighbouring station of Meerut, and ties at Meerut, whether Divisional, Brigade, or an order for a parade to teach the men of Regimental, respecting the Court Martial at Meethe 3rd light cavalry a new method of 3rd Light Cavalry; together with copy, in ex
rut in April, 1857, upon the 85 Troopers of the loading their carbines caused great distrust. tenso, of the Proceedings of the Court Martial Combining that circumstance with what has and Correspondence consequent.". taken place at Umballah, they told their
" And, of all Correspondence, Reports, or Proofficers the night before the parade was to ceedings relating to the 36th Regiment Bengal
Native Infantry having, at Umballah, in March or take place that they could not use these April 1857, expelled from their ('aste [excommunicartridges. He would now read to the cated] those of their comrades, constituting a de
tachment of the 36th Regiment, engaged in that either House of Parliament would learning the Enfield rifle practice at the Depôt of allow church rates to be thus summarily Instruction at Umballah.'
swept away, without any consideration of Motion made, and Question proposed. the interests involved in them. He could
LORD STANLEY said, that as certain understand that such a proposal suited statements made by the hon. and gallant the political purposes of hon. Gentlemen Member on a former occasion had been anxious to win the applause of popular contradicted, nothing could be more na:
constituencies, but he did not believe the tural than that he should desire to vindi- country would approve of it, or that the cate his accuracy. For himself, he had honest religious Dissenters wished to carry no evidence before him on the subject, and into effect so intolerant a design. He he should decline to offer an opinion upon introduction of this Bill, but only protest
would not offer any impediment now to the the matter. He had ascertained, from inquiries he had made, that the papers for against the free judgment of the House which the hon, and gallant Gentleman being fettered by the title of the Bill. had moved were not to be found in the
MR. PACKE asked if the Bill was simi. Indian department. He was ready to lar in its provisions to that of last Seswrite to India for them, but as some of
sion ? these papers appeared from their titles to
Sir J. TRELAWNY said, that it be confidential, the hon. and gallant Gen.
was precisely the same as that which he tleman would allow him to see them before introduced last Session, and which was he undertook that they should be printed carried through the House by a great maIt was quite possible that all these papers jority. Having understood from the Gowere of a character to be laid on the table, vernment, that if he did not ask for the but the correspondence between the Com- second reading of his Bill until they had mander in Chief in India and the Judge had an opportunity of laying their own Advocate General might be of a character measure upon the table, they would not not usually made public, and he should oppose his having leave to bring it in, he like to have an opportunity of seeing it had deferred all explanation of its provibefore he promised that it should be laid sions, and proposed to fix the second readupon the table. In that case, it would ing for to-morrow (Wednesday) fortnight. perhaps be better for the hon. and gallant He wished that this question should be Gentleman to withdraw bis Motion, as, if settled, and that every one should have a it were carried, he (Lord Stanley) would fair opportunity of being heard with rehave no alternative but to produce the gard to it
. If the hon. Gentleman (Mr. whole should they be forthcoming.
Griffith) objected to the title and scope of COLONEL SYKES said, he should be the Bill, it was quite open to him to introhappy to place himself in the hands of the duce under another title such a measure noble Lord.
as he should prefer to it. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said, that if the title of this measure were
"A Bill to
amend the Law relating to Church Rates, CHURCH RATES ABOLITION.
no objection could be raised to its introFIRST READING.
duction, because there could be no doubt Sir JOHN TRELAWNY moved for that the application of the machinery of leave to bring in a Bill to abolish Church the ecclesiastical courts to the raising of Rates,
these rates ought to be done away with. MR. DARBY GRIFFITH said, he must At the same time they must remember protest against the title of the Bill, which, what occurred last year, when a periodical if it were introduced in so rapid and unob- of great circulation and conducted with served a manner, might prejudice the entire some talent, said, “ Gentlemen, do not be question, and render any Amendment of cheated by sounds ; we do not care a farthe measure afterwards inadmissible. The thing about church rates themselves, we Bill ought to be introduced under a neutral want to get rid of tithes.” Hon. Gentletitle, such as “ to amend the law relating men opposite wanted the abolition of both to Church Rates ;' this would allow the church rates and tithes. He did not know discussion to proceed fairly; but under whether they meant to pu tithes into the this title, as “ a Bill to abolish Church landlord's pockets, but they certainly inRates," it would admit but one way of tended to put the church rates into their settling the question. It was not likely own. As this Bill received the sanction
of the House last year some deference relief given to such irremovable persons ought to be paid to that decision, and as shall be charged upon the common fund of there had been an understanding between the Union.
"In accordance with the usage the hon. Baronet and the Government, he of the House he had placed that notice on would not, although most determinedly hos- the table ; but the Motion was, in reality, tile to its principle, oppose the introduc- one for the appointment of a Committee tion of the Bill. Members, however, who such as that which was appointed last were opposed to the object of it had a year, and one reason for the urgency of right to stipulate that no advantage such Committee arose from the circumshould hereafter be taken of the title. stance that the last-named Act was to
MR. WALPOLE said, that there had expire towards the conclusion of the prebeen no particular understanding between sent Session of Parliament. It appeared the hon. Baronet and the Government. to him that, after nine years of experiThe bon. Baronet asked him a question ments and temporary Acts, the time had without notice, which he answered, and arrived when the House might make up its answered advisedly. The Bill for the mind on the question what should constiabolition of church rates had passed tute irremovability, and in what manner through all its stages in that House last the charge of relieving the irremovable year and went up to the other House. He poor should be defrayed. That would be had answered, therefore, that if the Bill the subject of the inquiries of this Comto be brought in were the same as that of mittee. In a very few words he would lay last Session, no opposition would be offer- before the House the present position of ed to it by Government at this stage. He the matter. In the year 1834 the New had himself given notice of his intention Poor Law Act passed, and by that statute to bring in a Bill which he thought would all means of acquiring a settlement were provide a better settlement of this ques- taken away, except birth alone. In ten tion than that of the hon. Baronet, but he or twelve years it was found that this thought that the fairest mode of dealing operated harshly on the poor man. Under with the subject was, that all propositions the former law he had the means of aclikely to be made upon it, should be before quiring a settlement wherever his industry the House, and then they would be in a called him ; but this had been taken from position fairly to discuss them. In assent him. With a view of meeting the case, ing to the introduction of this Bill he did Parliament, in 1846, passed an Act which denot assent to its principle. He had only clared that any poor person having resided informed the hon. Baronet that, provided five years in any parish should be irrethe Government had a fair opportunity of movable from that parish, and this was one laying their own measure before the House, of the statutes which he desired to bring before he asked for the second reading of under the consideration of the Committee. his Bill, he would not oppose his having No suoner had that statute passed than it leave to bring it in.
was felt that it involved a great additional SIR J. TRELAWNY explained, that expense on different parishes on whom the he had not said that there was any under- five years' residence operated. In the standing between himself and the Govern- following year, therefore, another Act ment.
passed, which cast the expense of these Leave given.
irremovable poor on the whole of the Bill “ to abolish Church Rates" ordered Union in which their parish happened to to be brought in by Sir John TRELAWNY, be situated. A Select Committee, of Mr. Dillwyn, and General THOMPSON. which the present Speaker was a Member, Bill presented, and read 1°.
sat in 1847 for the purpose of determining
the great questions of settlement and reFRREMOVABLE POOR.
movability. They examined many witSELECT COMMITTEE.
nesses, they brought much ability to the MR. SOTHERON ESTCOURT moved discussion of the questions, and after that a Select Committee be appointed to laborious investigation they determined on consider the operation of the Act 9 & 10 several resolutions, any one of which would Vict., c. 66, which enacts that no poor have effected an important alteration, but person shall be removeable who shall have the result was that when the question was resided five years in any parish ; and of put that the resolutions be reported to the the Act 10 & 11 Vict., c. 110, and il & House, to the astonishment of many the 12 Vict., c. 110, which enacts tbat the question passed in the negative, and the whole of the proceedings became useless. MR. SOTHERON ESTCOURT; I Time passed on and nothing was done, but propose the same names as last year, and from year to year these temporary Acts the hon. Member will see that I have taken were continued. In 1855 a Committee care that the sister country is properly rewas appointed to consider one branch of presented. the subject, the removal of Irish and MR. AYRTON said, he rose not to opScotch poor persons ; but that Committee pose the Motion, but to express his regret found itself compeiled to consider the main that it was limited to an inquiry into two question, and passed a resolution recom- statutes only. The right hon. Gentleman mending that the term of five years should had made it apparent that it was quite imbe reduced to three, and that the area of possible to consider two isolated statutes irremovability should be extended from the for any useful purpose, without at the parish to the Union. In the following same time examining into their relation to year the right hon. Member for Leeds the whole system of Poor Law relief ; but (Mr. Baines), then the President of the he had shown also that though, in some Poor Law Board, introduced a Bill to carry respects, the administration of the Poor those recommendations into effect, but that Laws had continued many years—nay, Bill was withdrawn, and now the question centuries—yet, in point of fact, the system was as far from being settled as it was in of Poor Law relief had been entirely 1846 ; indeed at the end of thirteen years changed in character and effect. Any infrom the passing of the first Act they were quiry before a Select Committee should in a rather less satisfactory position than embrace the whole scope of the adminisin 1834. The two Acts which he desired to tration of the Poor Laws in every departsubmit to the consideration of a Selectment, and not only in England, but in Committee stood on the threshold of the Ireland. If the Motion had been deferred, whole question. It was time for the Legis- he might have been tempted to move an lature to determine whether the proposi
. Amendment to enlarge the scope of intions of those Acts should be maintained, quiry ; but perhaps it might be as well and if so, on what conditions ? And if that they should commence with the parthey were to be swept away, then it would ticular relief which was embraced in the be for the Legislature to find a substitute. present Motion, and while this was proIt would not become him to anticipate ceeding he might bring the general subject what would be the determination of the before the IIouse. The area must be setCommittee, but he hoped to be able to tied. They could not have a system of induce those hon. Gentlemen who served settlement depending on casual employon the Committee last year to serve again, ment, if the area of relief, of rating, and and when they should have reported on of management were confined within very this branch, be did not despair of their narrow limits. Formerly, the system of directing their Chairman to move the House poor relief depended on the parochial reto give them further instructions to consider lations, and these again depended on the the other branches of this great question. accident of birth in the recipients; and At the same time, if the House obtained men were supposed to have a right to relief no more than the solution of the legitimate in the locality in which they were born. and direct subject indicated in the order of They were not even allowed to go out of reference, the Committee would not have that locality, except with a certificate, been uselessly reappointed. He did not which would compel them to return to obtain know of any objections to the Motion, or of relief in it whenever they might want it. any desire that he should go more fully But all this had been changed. It might into the question. He begged to move the be rational to say, that the master ought appointment of the Committee in the to support his labourer if he became poor ; terms of his notice.
that he who had reaped the advantage of MR. HENRY HERBERT said, he the man's work, should support him when thought it would be impossible to discuss he could not labour. That was at least a one question, without others forcing them- consistent system. But the master must selves under consideration ; and he hoped then have a right to command the labour of that, although the tenor of the Motion re- the servant, and this was therefore the ferred to land only, some Irish mem- system adopted in slave states.
The mobers would be placed on the Committee, as ment we departed from this, there was no the interests of the Irish poor were deeply reason why one set of persons rather than involved in the question.
another should bear the burden of relieving the poor when out of employ. In conclu- | the sale, the names of the parties consion, he might say that he should pro- cerned in the sale and purchase, and other bably take the opportunity of bringing the circumstances attending the transaction whole subject before the House on an early must all be registered at the time. It is day.
therefore a useful question for the House Motion agreed to. Select Committee to consider whether those provisions have appointed.
answered the purpose for which they were
intended ? According to the evidence of SALE OF POISONS.
Mr. Bell and other gentlemen representLEAVE.-- FIRST READING.
ing the Pharmaceutical Society, Dr. TayMR. WALPOLE : I rise, Sir, to move lor, and other famous chemists, given befor leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the fore a Committee of the House of Lords, keeping and sale of poisons. I am not the Arsenic Act has, to a great extent, aware whether the House wishes me to go tended to diminish the number of poison. into the details of the Bill now, or to do ings from arsenic. I will only quote Dr. 80 on the second reading, but perhaps I Taylor. Dr. Taylor says: may be permitted to state this :- At the end of last Session a Bill for regulating to call attention-certainly appears to have be
“ Arsenic-and this is one point to which I beg the sale of poisons, founded on the Re- come less frequent as a poison, for in the last port of the late Commission, unanimously three years there were only two cases brought to passed the other House of Parliament. Guy's Hospital. Now, generally speaking, there When it came down here great objections were two or three cases a year in former times, were taken to it on two grounds-one that before the Arsenic Act came into force.” the late period of the Session at which it Again he says :had come down did not allow sufficient “ In the two years, 1837 and 1838-before the time for its consideration, and the other Arsenic Act—the poisons chiefly used were : that the trade and business of druggists opium 196 cases, and arsenic 185 cases ; that is would be interfered with by certain clauses to say, a little over 92 cases of arsenic in each and restrictions in that Bill. With regard Report of last year, you will find that in 1857
year; but if you look at the Registrar General's to the former objections that arising from the arsenic cases were only 27.” the late period of the Session at which the I think, therefore, there is reason to beBill was presented for consideration—that lieve that the provisions introduced into the objection is rectified by my bringing for- Act, as regards the sale of arsenic, have to ward a Bill at the earliest possible oppor- a certain extent succeeded. But I ought tunity. With regard to the second objec- not to conceal from the House that the tion, I may state that I think I have ob- effect of the Act has been to drive perviated the main difficulties which stood in sons to the use of other poisons, instead the way of the Bill of last Session. But of arsenic. Well, then, those provisions all the reasons which urged the propriety of the Arsenic Act having succeeded to a of such a Bill last summer are increased, I certain extent, the question is, first of all, think, to an amazing extent by the fearful whether they have succeeded so completely occurrence which took place in the autumn as to meet all the difficulties of the case ? at Bradford, and I am sure no one holding I am clearly of opinion that they have not, the high place which I have the honour to for in the sad calamity at Bradford, by the do would be doing his duty, nor would sale of a deadly poison by mistake for an Parliament be doing their duty, unless they article supposed to be more or less innocent endeavoured by some regulation to prevent in itself, the population of a whole neighthose accidents and mistakes in the sale of bourhood was put in peril. The provisions poison by means of which even whole popu- regulating the sale of arsenic merely would Jations
may be put in peril. The object of not prevent the recurrence of such an acci. the Bill which I venture to propose is en- dent as that. What you want is, a provitirely to regulate the sale of poisons, and sion regulating the keeping as well as the I found my proposal partly on the pro- sale of poison. If, then, the Arsenic Act visions in the Act which has been passed has to a certain extent succeeded, while for further Regulating the Sale of Ar. it has failed in other respects, we have to senic. The Arsenic Act was passed seven consider in what respect its defects may years ago, and contained certain provi- be supplied. By the Bill of last year it sions for regulating and restricting the was provided—and that was a clause much sale of that mineral. Where a person objected to—that there should be a sepawishes to purchase arsenic, the fact of rate place—a poison closet-in which all