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impossible for him to make any alteration hon. Friend had proposed to him a list of in the remuneration until the mutiny Bill names, and he objected to some of them, was brought in ; but in that Bill the rate and some of his objections were acquiesced of remuneration would be increased. in ; but he did not then know the question
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, that his to be put. The question put was not complaint was, that a very large sum of whether the place was unhealthy, but whemoney was spent in inefficient barracks, ther £120,000 having been expended, the not suited for the proper accommodation place was so unhealthy that it should be of the soldiers, or for the preservation of given up, Those coming home as invalids their health.
should be located in the most dry, bracing, GENERAL CODRINGTON observed that and airy situation, and they found a site the Report of the Commission was to the which was within a few yards of a river effect, that the men were crowded in the bank. rooms, and that there was great mortality, MR. JOSEPH LOCKE observed, that particularly among the Guards, arising no doubt there was every disposition that from the overcrowding of the rooms. due care and attention should be bestowed
MR. SIDNEY HERBERT thought, that on proper barrack accommodation for the in discussing this question, hon. Gentlemen soldier ; but he complained of the want of forgot that there were now quartered in sufficient care in preparing the estimates England many more troops than there were for barracks and hospitals. The House a few years ago. It was quite true that there had one estimate on one day and another was a great deal of over-crowding in the bar- on the next, and the House did not know racks. If they could get sites large enough what would be the expense until the money he thought that they ought not to build was all expended. There had been an adbarracks at all, for huts were cheaper and ditional sum of about £100,000 expended better ; but such a suggestion could not in Netley Hospital, to remedy the defect in apply to London, where the cost of sites site. was so very great, and buildings of masonry Sir FREDERICK SMITH explained, two or three stories in height must be con- that there were two plans, one larger than structed. He wished to ask what was the the other. prospect of Netley Hospital being finished. MR. JOSEPH LOCKE believed, that The Commission on which he served re- the original estimate was for a place to ported strongly against the site of that accommodate 1,000 men, and now it was building, and also the construction of the not intended to accommodate more. building ; but his right hon. Friend found SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY did not a number of learned men who said it think the House was fairly treated in the was too late to give up the building. He estimates for barracks. The amount of thought that they should take warning not money expended was perfectly incredible, to construct on a plan so unnecessarily and the public could not understand how it expensive. It was a theory among army was that the soldier was not properly acmedical officers, that invalid soldiers could commodated. There was a new demand only be accommodated in small wards. That for Aldershot in the Estimates, and there was not the case in civil hospitals. When seemed to be somewhere a total want of they put men into small wards, the cost of care in preparing the Estimates. He administation and attendance was almost wished to know whether this new sum of double. That appeared to him to be ex- £66,000 addded to the £574,000 already travagance. The site of Netley had now voted, would really complete the barracks ? been settled, and he did not wish to re- Sir FREDERICK SMITH said, only open the matter, but he wished to know £474,000 had been expended. when the hospital would be fit to receive GENERAL PEEL said, he could promise patients.
that this would be the last sum asked for GENERAL PEEL said, it was stated in these barracks. They had engaged to the Estimates what amount would be re- pay the contractors £9,000 per month quired to finish the building. As to the during the winter, and £15,000 during medical men appointed to report on the the summer, and had insisted that the site, he thought that his right hon. Friend whole amount should be inserted in this had not dealt fairly with them. The right year's Estimate, and no better or cheaper hon. Gentleman bad himself named half of barracks could be built, and they would them.
accommodate 247 officers, 6,409 men, and MR. SIDNEY HERBERT said, his right 1,900 horses.
PAPERS MOVED FOR.
Vote agreed to, as was also,
in an unreserved and complete manner by (45.) £268,532, Educational and Scien- the Treaty of Vienna in 1815. He did not tific Branches.
mean, nor had it been asserted, that a House resumed. Resolutions to be re. casus foederis had actually arisen in this ported To-morrow.
case ; but looking especially at the relaHouse adjourned at half after tions between us and Portugal since the Twelve o'clock. treaty of 1703, and considering that our
good offices” were tendered on this occasion before they were asked, and that they were afterwards formally asked for by Por
tugal, he thought the House would agree HOUSE OF LORDS, that our good offices should have been
given in such a manner as to secure to Tuesday, March 8, 1859.
Portugal an efficient support. He should be Minutes). Sat First in Parliament.- The Lord offices were not tendered in such a manner
able to show that, on the contrary, our good Saltersford, after the death of his Father. Public Bills.—1« Manor Courts, &c. (Ireland). as to render Portugal that support which 2a Trading Companies Winding-up.
she bad a right to expect. There was, in3a Ecton and Welton Exchange; Burial Places. deed, a further and very powerful reason for
our interfering in this case on behalf of "CHARLES ET GEORGES.”
Portugal ; and it was this—that we ourselves had repeatedly urged on Portugal in
the strongest manner, that a policy should LORD WODE HOUSE in rising to move, be vigorously carried out which involved according to notice, that an humble Address Portugal in antagonism with France. Now, be presented to Her Majesty for a Copy of although in order to make this case intelthe telegraphic Despatch of the 16th of ligible he must necessarily refer to the October, 1858, referred to in Mr. Howard's course taken by the French Government, Despatch of the 27th of October to the and he must refer to it in terms of condemEarl of Malmesbury, as printed in the nation, he was sure their Lordsbips would Correspondence respecting the Charles et agree with him that they were not called Georges, said that he should take the oppor- upon there to discuss the conduct of two intunity of calling attention to the transactions dependent States between each other,except detailed in that Correspondence.
so far as the interests of this country were therein displayed appeared to him so im- directly concerned, and so far as Her Majesportant, and the course which Her Majesty's ty’s Government were mixed up in these Government had pursued was so unsatisfac- transactions. In the first place, then, he tory, that it ought not to pass without men begged to call attention to some correspontion in their Lordships' House. He wished dence which took place anterior to the case that it had fallen into more competent of the Charles et Georges. The French hands than bis, and he assured their Lord Government had introduced a scheme for ships that it was with diffidence that he procuring negro labourers for their colonies, ventured to bring it under their notice. He which they asserted was a scheme of free wished in the first place to invite the notice emigration; but which we maintained, notof the noble Earl the Secretary for Foreign withstanding their intentions, and notwithAffairs to an omission which made the ex- standing all the precautions that might be amination of this Correspondence extremely taken, must eventually degenerate into a perplexing—the omission of the dates at disguised slave trade. A portion of the which the despatches from abroad were re- scheme was to procure a supply of negro ceived. In all similar Correspondence pre. labourers for the French colony of La sented to Parliament, those dates had in. Réunion. Those labourers were to be provariably been given, and he could not under- cured from the Portuguese possessions on stand why the slovenly practice of omitting the eastern coast of Africa. His noble them should have crept in upon this occasion. Friend the late Secretary for Foreign Now, he might be asked, in limine, why Affairs (the Earl of Clarendon) did not the British Government should be called omit any opportunity of pressing on the on to interfere in a dispute between two | Portuguese Government in the strongest independent States ?
manner to take the most vigorous measures simple enough. We were bound by cer- for the frustration of the French scheme. tain ancient treaties, which were confirmed So far back as July 13, 1857, his noble
friend addressed instructions to Mr. How-stain was condemned to two years' imprisonard, Her Majesty's Minister at Lisbon, ment. The grounds upon which that condirecting him to urge the Portuguese Go- demnation was made were simple, and, as he vernment to take more vigorous measures. should have thought, they were abundantly Acting in the absence of Mr. Howard, the strong. It was, in the first place, proved by Chargé d'Affaires at Lisbon, Mr. Paget, the Portuguese authorities that the ship was presented on the 22nd of July a note to the in Portuguese waters when captured, that Portuguese Government, which M. de Loulé, she was within cannon-shot of the shore, and the Portuguese minister, answered in so subject consequently to Portuguese munisatisfactory manner that his noble Friend cipal jurisdiction. Then there was the (the Earl of Clarendon) directed Mr. Howard fact that she had 110 negroes on board, to express the sense which Her Majesty's who, on being interrogated, declared that Government entertained of what he just- they were not there by their own will, and ly termed the vigorous and humane in- some of them were mentioned as having tentions of the Portuguese Government. been kidnapped and sold by the native This being the case, the Portuguese Go- chiefs. No papers were produced by the vernment, naturally confiding in the sup- captain to justify his proceedings, and the port they would receive from Her Majesty's ship was condemned. The French captain Government, in thee vent of any difficulty of the vessel appealed, however, to the arising, proceeded to take the vigorous mea- Supreme Court at Lisbon; to Lisbon the sures that we had recommended. They ship was sent, and the matter became the displaced the Governor, who, they thought, subject of discussions between the French was disposed to treat the slave trade with too and Portuguese Governments. In the little rigour, and they sent out another Go- first place, there was a note presented by vernor, furnished with instructions which, the Marquess de Lisle, the French Minister though cautiously worded, left no doubt as at Lisbon, in which the restitution of the to the intentions of the Portuguese Govern- vessel and the release of the captain were ment. Acting on these instructions, the new demanded. And upon what grounds did Governor detained two French vessels, which he base this demand ? The principal however, not being found under circum- grounds were, that no notice had been restances of flagrant suspicion, were subse. ceived in the Island of Réunion of the proquently released. Then came the case of hibition to export labourers from the Porthe Charles et Georges. It was not a tuguese possessions at Mozambique; and little remarkable that information was given that the captain was provided with papers by an agent of the British Government of justifying his proceedings, which he had the presence of that French vessel. A received from an Arab zheik whom be be. despatch, written on the 8th of October, lieved to be a Portuguese authority. With 1858, by Mr. M.Leod, the British Consul regard to the first ground, nothing more at Mozambique, informed the Portuguese need now be said, because the French Miauthorities there that the Charles et Georges nister subsequently admitted that it must would anchor in Conducia Bay, and that be entirely abandoned ; and as for the it was suspected that she was ship second ground, no such papers were proping slaves. He did not know, by the duced before the Commission at Mozamway, why the reports of Mr. M.Leod bique, and Mr. Howard mentioned, in one were not given in this Correspondence, of his reports, that it was confidently bebut if they were of importance, he sup- lieved by the Portuguese authorities that posed the Secretary of State would have those papers were neither more nor less no objection to their production. There- than a forgery. Soon afterwards, howupon, however, the Portuguese Governor, ever, M. Benedetti, in the absence of Count furnished with the instructions of his own Walewski, made the statement to Lord Government, and urged on by the British Cowley, that the Charles et Georges was Government, proceeded to send a Portu- not within the Portuguese territory when guese ship of war in search of the Charles captured, but about four miles from the et Georges. He need not describe the cir. shore, and not subject to Portuguese juriscumstances of the capture of that vessel. diction. But all this while nothing was He need only say that she was taken to said of the true ground on which the French Mozambique, examined, and condemned as subsequently based their claim. a slaver by the Commission appointed for peared, however, from a despatch of Mr. the purpose-no, not by the Commission, Howard's soon afterwards, that M. de Lislo bu: by the Portuguese Court—and her cap- laid it down that because there was a dcle
gate of the French Government on board | In a despatch to Mr. Howard, dated Septhe vessel, the French Government could tember 25th, the noble Earl (the Earl of not admit the possibility of her being en- Malmesbury) said :gaged in the slave trade, for which she had been condemned. That was the only Government approve your proceedings in this
“I have to acquaint you that Her Majesty's and sole ground on which the French Go- matter, and that they have learnt with satisfacvernment rested their claim that the pre- tion that the Portuguese Government propose to Bence of a French delegate exempted the refer the question to the mediation of a friendly
Power. I have transmitted to Her Majesty's ship from Portuguese jurisdiction.
Ambassador at Paris copies of your despatches the exemption of a ship of one country above referred to, and I have to instruct you from the municipal law of another, could to assure the Portuguese Government that the by the law of nations be urged upon only friendly offices of Her Majesty's Government one ground. Wheaton, who was a first- will not be wanting for the purpose of bringing rate authority, stated the only ground of about an amicable settlement of the difference
between the French and Portuguese Governments an exemption as follows :
upon this subject." “ If there be no express prohibition, the ports The Portuguese Government was naturally of a friendly State are open to the public armed and commissioned ships belonging to another na
satisfied with the prospect of obtaining tion with which that State shall be at peace, and the good offices of Her Majesty's Governsuch ships are exempt from the jurisdiction of the ment; but how was this engagement carried local tribunals.”
out? A despatch was written by the noble Now, it could scarcely be maintained that Earl opposite on the same day to Her the mere presence of a French delegate on Majesty's Minister at Paris. One would board, whose duty simply was to superin- have thought it would have contained intend the emigration of free negroes, but structions to use our good offices with the who was not a commissioned officer com- French Court, and to endeavour to bring panding the ship, could put the ship in about a friendly settlement; but all the such a peculiar position that she should be noble Earl did was, to transmit to Lord thereby relieved from municipal jurisdic-Cowley copies of Mr. Howard's despatches, tion. But the real ground was that, as the and addFrench Government contended, it was im
“ From which your Excellency will perceire possible, with a French delegate on board, that this affair has assumed a very serious asthere could be an imputation of slave trad. pect.” ing. Now, that was an argument altogether Why, Lord Cowley might have discovered unprecedented in the law of nations. The that by himself, without the despatch of the fact was, that the slaves were found on noble Earl; and it was very strange Her Maboard by the Portuguese cruiser, and it jesty's Government did not see the neces. was known from their own statement that sity of proceeding somewhat further. Lord they were slaves; it was even admitted Cowley next reported, in a despatch dated by M. de Lisle that some of them came on September 30, a conversation with Count board with their arms tied behind them. Walewski :Well, even at this period of this affair the Portuguese Government stated their inten- Charles et Georges. The French Government,
“ He then went into a history of the case of the tion to propose to refer the question in dis- he said, considered that the ship had been illegally pute to the mediation of a friendly Power. captured, and under that conviction had demanded Mr. Howard, in a despatch dated Lisbon, its release, leaving the question of compensation
for future settlement.' This demand had been September 18, said:
refused in a note not over courteous, and the ques“In the event which appears most probable of tion of future proceedings was now under the conthe French Government insisting upon their desideration of the Imperial Government ; he (Count mands, the Portuguese Government having as- Walewski) had insisted, with success, that the sented to the principle laid down in the Protocol question should be referred to the Comité des of the Paris Conferences of the 14th April, 1858, Contentieux, in his Department, whose province will, as the Marquis de Loulé has confidentially it was to give an opinion upon transactions of this informed me, propose to refer the question in dis
The Report would not be ready for a pute to the mediation of a friendly Power, a
few days more, but in the meantime some ships had course of which I ventured to express a favourable been despatched towards the Tagus, since, in case opinion."
the report should be in favour of the release of the It would thus be seen that the Government ship, a demand would be made for that release had early information of the ground on
within the twenty-four hours, and would be enwhich the French Gurernment based their if the report advised an appeal to the higher tribu;
forced if not complied with. On the other hand claims. Now, let their Lordships see nals of Lisbon, the release of the captai bail what course the Government had taken. would be required.”
On the 2nd of October Lord Cowley sent to the Government to which he was accrea telegraphic despatch to the noble Earl, to dited, or if it were a more serious case, to announce that the French Government had leave a copy of that despatch. Nothing come to the determination to demand the of the kind was done here. Lord Cowley release of the Charles et Georges, on the was practically left in the position of an ground that she had been condemned as a Ambassador without any definite instrucslaver when there was a delegate of the tions, and he must have found his hands French Government on board. What did exceedingly weakened. He did neverthethe noble Earl (the Foreign Secretary) do less all he could do by himself; but after at this critical period? He did absolutely all, an Ambassador, even one holding so nothing. At this moment the case admit- high a position, was but an agent – he ted of a friendly and peaceful settlement, must have instructions from his chief, or be but the noble Earl did not send a single could not have his full weight with the instruction to our Ambassador at Paris as Government to which he was accredited. to the course he was to pursue. Looking at The noble Earl
, however, did take another the high value the Emperor of the French | step, and in order to show that he had had always said he placed on an alliance acted with energy, he sent two British with this country, at the interest which the ships to the Tagus. But what that was people of this country took in the question done for, he (Lord Wodehouse) really could of the slave trade, at the peculiar position of not imagine. It could not be said that it this country with regard to Portugal, and at was done for the protection of British subthe fact that the Emperor of the French, jects, since none were in danger; and as after this affair was over, had now, in a man- for watching the French squadron, there ner which did him great honour, spontane could be no use in that, when no instrucous given up the whole of this immigration tions were given to interfere with its proscheme, could it be doubted that if the noble ceedings. He did think Her Majesty's Earl had instructed Lord Cowley to bring Government might well have spared the the whole question seriously under the no- officers of those British ships the mortifitice of the French Government, time would cation of looking on, and witnessing what have been obtained for reflection, and the he must call the humiliation of our Ally. whole might have been settled in a friendly The Portuguese Minister at Paris (M. de and peaceable manner. The next step in Paiva) proceeded_mean while to propose the affair was, however, that Mr. Howard arbitration to the French Government; he reported that the Portuguese Government did this in a document which was calm, had resolved to propose a mediation. He temperate, and unanswerable. It might informed the noble Earl by telegraph on bave been thought that Her Majesty's the 5th of October that the Portuguese Government, having been apprised of the Government had directed their Minister at intention to refer the matter to arbitration, Paris to propose to the French Govern- and having promised their good offices, ment to submit the difference to the me- would have instructed onr Minister at Paris diation of a friendly Power, the choice to to support that proposition. But we might be left to France. Upon this, the noble judge what support was given by referEarl sent an instruction to our Ambassador ring to the noble Earl's despatch to Mr. at Paris in which he said that, “any hostile Howard dated October 9th, in which the proceeding by France against Portugal noble Earl said, “ The good offices of Her should be strongly deprecated by your Ex- Majesty's Government will gladly be given cellency, and you should put forward the to prevent a collision between France and Paris Protocol at a suitable time. But Portugal, but they have no decisive infornot a word was said as to Portugal being in mation on the case of the ship.” He the right, and no opinion was expressed in would ask whether no decisive informaher favour. He only deprecated hostilities tion was contained in the despatches which and in a vague manner referred to the Her Majesty's Government had received Paris Protocol. Their Lordships knew from Mr. Howard, dated the 26th of Au. that in these diplomatic transactions very gust, the 6th, the 8th, and the 28th of much depended on the form in which com- September?
The noble Earl went on to munications were made from one Govern- say that in the opinion of Her Majesty's ment to another. There were various Government, “the Portuguese Governforms which might be adopted. A despatch ment had better drop the prosecution, if might be sent to our Minister at a foreign there were informalities during or after the Court, directing him to read that despatch scizure.” So, the good offices of the