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the occasion of parliamentary contests. He adopted. The objections to that Act were would take the case of Finsbury or Lam. that it would increase expense to candibeth, where every species of "vehicularity" dates, that it would legalize expenses which was put into requsition for driving voters some persons contended amounted to brianywhere but to the poll. The expense bery in disguise, while others said, that thus occasioned deterred candidates from though not actually bribery, the act must coming forward to contest these boroughs. lead to that result. With regard to the first It was said that this system had been of these objections he thought there was legalized. Before the case of “ Cooper v. a consideration paramount to expenseSlade" had been decided, at a period when that every voter should have an opportunity he frequently bad the honour of practising of recording his vote. They might in before Committees of that House, his ad crease the number of voters by enlargvice was often taken upon the point by ing the franchise, but this was a step in gentlemen who intended to offer themselves the opposite direction, and was calculated as candidates ; and his reply was that in to disfranchise a large class of voters. point of strict law such expenses were not Again, it was argued that the payment of justified, but that if the practice were car the conveyance of voters should be made ried on by both parties, and the case came illegal, as it trenched on bribery ; but he under the consideration of a Committee did not believe that the moderate expendiof the House of Commons, they would take ture required for conveying a voter to the a fair and liberal view of the question. No poll would operate as any venal inducedoubt, however, it was a violation of the ment in respect to giving his vote. The law. The country would not believe that Bill appeared to be a perfect pitfall, through the House of Commons was sincere unless which any hon. Gentleman might fall into this Bill were passed to repeal a law en- the clutches of an Election Committee, and acted somewhat rashly, if he might ven- it would at the same time have the tendture to say so, in the preceding Session. ency to disfranchise a large class of voters. The House was anxious that elections MR.WHITE said, he had been surprised should be free, and he must observe that that Government should adopt the retrothe honest voter did not require to be con- grade policy of supporting the Bill of last veyed to the poll. He was charged £400 Session for allowing the expenses of conveyfor his polling places for the borough of ing voters to the poll ; but bis surprise had Marylebone, and the hustings would have ceased since this Session had conimenced. been a disgrace to a gingerbread-stall pro- He saw it was the precursor of a novel and prietor at a fair. In his opinion the candi- transcendental system of politics of which date should be freed from all unfair and before he had no idea. He had thought udjust expenses, and as the present Bill that they were to have representation had that object in view he trusted it would founded upon numbers and upon property : pass.

but he had lately learned that representaMr. O'BRIEN said, he wished to point tion must have reference to particular out to the House the effect of the measure interests, and the Government evidently in reference to the Irish constituencies. wished to promote the omnibus and cab In that country there was a large territorial interest. aristocracy holding strong opinions of a MR. DEEDES said, he would have been Conservative character. They had the ready to join any one in endeavouring to means of conveying voters to the poll, and postpone the consideration of the present if the poorer classes had not some person Bill until the larger measure of reform, to carry them also to the poll, they would now before the House, had been more veriin point of fact be handed over to the tilated, if not disposed of ; but as he was teritorial aristocracy. He should therefore called upon to vote on the matter, he oppose the present Bill, which would have should pursue the same course as he did the tendency of suppressing the popular last year, and oppose what he believed to element in Ireland.

be fraught with danger to the country, MR. STEUART said, he thought the the introduction of any system legalizing House ought not rashly to repeal the le- any payment to voters. If a voter was gislation of the former Session. That to be paid for travelling a long distance, measure had been fully discussed and deci- why not also give him something to eat ded upon by many divisions during the last and drink? And if that was allowed year, and no plea of surprise could be ad. a door was at once opened for remuneravanced for reversing the legislation then tion of a doubtful character. He should


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that any electors, being too poor | desirable state of things? He stated it to pay their conveyance to the poll

, should as case within his own knowledge. be thereby disfranchised ; but there was When the hon. and learned Member for no reason why on account of those excep- Marylebone (Mr. Edwin James) said that tional cases the House should adopt a Committees of the House would exercourse fraught with danger, especially when cise their own discretion, provided the exa mode might probably be discovered by penses were paid on both sides, he virtually which the difficulty in the way of voting proposed that the election of hon. Memnow complained of might be obtained. bers to seats in that House should be He was far from being inclined to disfran- decided by Committees of that House at chisement, and would rather open wider their discretion. For the sake of freedom the door to the franchise.

of election, and of due respect for the fran. MR. NEWDEGATE said, he wished to chise of the people of this country, he state his reasons for voting against the hoped the House would not revert to the Bill. Ile considered that this was a former state of things. Bill for disfranchisement. Hon. Members LORD JOHN RUSSELL said, that last might need, and the borough electors year he was of opinion that it would not might need conveyance much less in bo- be right, by the operation of any Act, to roughs; he wished to state what was the disfranchise those who could not convey case as to the counties. He was prepared themselves to the poll. The Bill of last to affirm, from full knowledge of the case, year, however, was proposed as a tempothat the passing of this Bill would be the rary measure ; and if any one in the preactual disfranchisement of a large propor- sent Session brought forward å plan contion of the county voters of England, and stituting more polling places, the desired he would mention a case which occurred object would be attained in a better way. in his own constituency. Previous to This proposition had now been made by the passing of the Act legalizing the con- the hon. and learned Member for Plymouth. veyance of voters to the poll, there was a It was obvious that the paying of expenses contest for North Warwickshire.

near akin to bribery, and instances particular division the great majority of the had been known at county elections of voters intended to poll for his hon. Col. candidates paying a sovereign to persons league and himself, but both the candi- in order that they might go to the poll, dates opposed to himself resided in that when perhaps the expense of conveyance division, both of them largely connected would not exceed 2s. 6d. or 3s., and he had with landed property; the one a landowner, heard the same complaints in the metro. the other the brother of a large landowner. polis. Seeing, then, that his hon. and Many of the voters in the division were learned Friend's Bill provided for an intenants of these Gentlemen, both of whom crease of polling places at no great distance were well qualified to represent the division. from the residences of the voters, he So these electors of their own accord, from should with pleasure give his vote for the a feeling of respect for their neighbours Bill. who were candidates, but of different opin- MR. HUNT said, he should move as an ions from themselves, determined to form Amendment that the Bill be read a second their own Committee, separate from the time that day six months. He did not general Committees, with which he (Mr. support the Bill proposed to be repealed Newdegate) was connected, and polled a as the best measure that could be devised, large majority for his colleague and him- but as the best practicable one. self in their district. When asked at the not believe that any one was anxious to inconclusion of the contest, by the agents crease the expenses of elections, but many of the general Committee, if there were were anxious that poor voters who were any expenses to be paid, they replied not able to reach the poll without assistthat they would bear their own expenses, ance should not be disfranchised. Repealand that they were glad that the candi. ing that Bill would lead to the disfranchisedates they favoured were returned. But ment of a large number of voters. For would the House believe, that if a peti- his own part he should like to see the tion- had been presented against their polling booth brought to every man's door return his hon. Colleague and he would and he trusted to see the number of polhave been unseated because these inde. ling places very largely increased. Every pendent men had carried some of their man ought to vote in the place where his fellow voters to the poll? Was that a qualification lay, and the same system of

He did

voting should be allowed in Parliamentary nery that practically, if they passed it into as in parochial contests. It was not wise a law, it could not provide a remedy in to disturb so soon the legislation of last time to meet an occasion which would proSession.

bably occur in the present Session. By MR. KNIGHTLEY seconded the Amend the Reform Bill before the House, the ment.

Government proposed to deal with the Amendment proposed to leave out the Question of additional polling places ; he word "now" and at the end of the Ques- therefore thought, as a matter of fairness, tion to add the words “ upon this day six the clause of last Session ought not to be months.”

repealed until additional polling places had SIR JOHN PAKINGTON said, he first been provided for. Inasniuch as the regarded the main provisions of the Bill Reform Bill proposed to deal with that without any decided feeling one way or the question he would oppose the second read. other. He was not prepared to view the ing of the present measure. question with any of the warmth of the hun. MR. AYRTON said, he was desirous to and learned Member for Ne stle (Mr. correct an error into which

right hon. Headlam), nor had he so lively a sense of Gentleman had fallen. The Government the influence of cabs and carriages upon in the last Session proposed the following an election contest as the hon. and learned clause :Member for Marylebone (Mr. E. James). Apart altogether from the merits of the

“It shall be lawful for any person to pay the Bill itself he could not help thinking that bringing any voter to the poll.”

actual travelling expenses bona fide incurred in this was a most inconvenient time for bringing it forward. When the clause to Now, that was à proposition which had which so much reference had been made been assented to by a large majority of the was adopted last year it was, he believed, House, in substavce in a former Parlia. upon the Motion of the hon. and learned ment. So far from accepting the proposed Member for the Tower Hanlets and what words he entered a negative against them. was the principle upon which it was acqui- He proposed a clause to the effect that it esced in? The nece

ecessity of settling the should not be lawful for any person to pay law one way or the other. The state of the travelling expenses of å voter, because the law was so uncertain, such. contrary bribery ; but he provided that any person

such a principle would open the door to decisions had been given, and such conficts had arisen from that unhappy state might be allowed a conveyance to go to the of things, that it was deemed advisable poll. Then came the proposition that such to take the course proposed last Session, conveyance might be provided by the can. though in some respects he considered didate or his agent. Those latter words it not a very desirable course to intro- were tacked on the previous portion of the duce this novelty into their legislation. If clause to which he referred. The law of he remembered rightly, the noble Lord last Session was hurriedly pressed on them. the Member for London gave his support

He should support the right of his hon. to the clause on the ground that it was and learned Friend to advance his measure unwise to leave the Question in an unsettled into Committee. and undecided state. It appeared now that

Question put, “That the word 'now' the noble Lord intended to support the stand part of the Question. second reading of this Bill on the ground

The House divided :- Ayes, 172; Noes, that the measure contained a provision for 153: Majority, 19. the multiplication of a number of polling

Main Question put, and agreed to. places, and it would, therefore, remedy the

Bill read 2o. inconvenience to meet which the clause of

House adjourned at a quarter last year was passed. Now, he thought

before Six o'clock. that the opponents of the present measure had a right claim to vote of the noble Lord against the Bill, inasmuch as the effect of this measure passing would be practically to disfranchise a large number of the elec

HOUSE OF LORDS, tors. The last clause of the hon. and learned Gentieman's Bill, in providing for

Thursday, March 3, 1859. additional polling places, had called to bis Minutes.] Public Bills.-1* Inclosure ; Medical aid such a complicated system of machi. Act (1858) Amendment.

and evidence. He would not pronounce HONG KONG.

an opinion on the portion of the question CASE OF WILLIAM TARRANT,

to which the noble Earl referred while the PUBLISHER OF THE FRIEND OF CHINA.

whole case was under consideration. The PETITIONS,

simple facts were

that Mr. Chisholm EARL GREY presented petitions from Anstey, the Attorney General, in a speech Inhabitants of Newcastle-upon-Tyne and made by him in the Legislative Council, Tynemouth, praying that an Inquiry may made charges against another public officer be made relative to the Trial at Hong most deeply affecting his character and Kong of William Tarrart, Publisher of that of his wife, accusing them of having the IIong Kong newspaper, called The taken bribes from the natives. On the Friend of China. The facts alleged other hand a statement was made conseemed to be that an officer of the Gu. taining nineteen counter-charges; which vernment having been accused in a news- were submitted first to the Board of Mapaper, called The Friend of China, of a gistrates and then to a commission, and very serious offence, namely, that of compending these inquiries, the Attorney plicity with certain Chinese pirates ; and General was suspended. Sir John Bowanother public officer of having screened ring was absent from the colony ; but inand sheltered him from punishment, by structions had been given to the Acting having destroyed certain papers which Governor to make every inquiry into the contained evidence of the transaction. The matter. The prosecution for libel was parties accused indicted the newspaper for simply a fraction of a greater case, which libel, and at the trial, the jury, without was under the consideration of the Colonial hearing evidence to support the justifica- Office, and he could not express any opinion tion pleaded by the defendant, found a upon a part while the whole remained unverdict for him, thus showing their opinion decided. that the account in the newspaper was Earl GREY said, that these charges correct. It would seem most impossible made against public officers of a colony that such a case could occur as was in- and supported by the verdict of a jury, volved in the conduct of the officers of the were too serious to be answered by saying Government in question, but there was the that this matter formed part of a larger fact of the trial, and the verdict in favour inquiry. Unless there was clear ground of the newspaper. This matter had caused for believing that the jury came to an some excitement in the north, and public erroneous conelusion, po public officer meetings had been held at Newcastle and ought to be allowed for a day to exercise Tynemouth, at which the petitions he had the office of Colonial Secretary, and it was presented, praying for inquiry, were agreed not satisfactory that this case should be to. He thought it desirable that the Under postponed until a larger part of the quesSecretary of State for the Colonies should, tion was inquired into. if he could, offer some explanation.

THE Earl of CARNARVON had said, THE EARL OF CARNARVON was un that this case was a branch of an inquiry derstood to say that the facts to which the which had been referred to the Home Gonoble Earl had alluded, so far as the trial vernment. The acting Governor of Hong was concerned, were correct. The case Kong had been directed to make an inquiry, which the noble Earl had mentioned had and receive an explanation on the subject. excited very great local feeling ; but the facts formed part of a much larger question,

EDUCATION IN INDIA. connected with the suspension from office of the Attorney General of Hong Kong, aud which was under the consideration of

THE DUKE OF ARGYLL, who had a Nothe Colonial Office. The papers relating

tice on the paperto the inquiry already received were most

" To call the attention of the House to a letter volumiņous; he had the curiosity the other

from the Earl of Ellenborough, President of the day to have them weighed, and he found that Board of Control, to the Chairman and Deputy they amounted to eleven pounds of closely Chairman of the East India Company, dated 28th printed paper.

The whole matter was be. April, 1858 ; and, To ask lier Majesty's Governfore the Colonial Office, but its settlement ment, Whether, in pursuance of that letter, any

Instructions have been issued to the Government was delayed by the continued flow of com

of India recalling or altering the Instructions conmunications on the subject from the co- veyed in a Despatch from the Court of Directors lony, every mail bringing fresli papers of the East India Company to the Governor



General of India in Council, dated 19th of July,

were fully in possession of the views of the 1854, on Education in India"

Indian Government in relation to it. postponed his Motion sine die.

House adjourned at half-past Five THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH said,

o'clock, till to-morrow, halfthat he thought all of their Lordships would

past Ten o'clock. agree with him that this subject was one of extreme delicacy. He felt it was one the discussion of which would hardly be of any advantage to the cause of Education in

HOUSE OF COMMONS, India, and he urged most earnestly upon the noble Duke to consider whether it Thursday, March 3, 1859. would not be safer and better to leave the subject in the hands of Her Majesty's MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.—1° East India Loan Government. The noble Duke and the

County Courts.

2° Law of Property and Trustees Relief Amendwhole country were in possession of the principles by which her Majesty's Govern- 3° Marriage Law Amendment. ment were to be guided in the matter, because they had been clearly laid down in

REGISTERS OF TITLES (SCOTLAND). Her Majesty's Proclamation ; therefore,

QUESTION. he hoped that the noble Duke would not MR. CAIRD said, he would beg to ask think it necessary to bring on his Motion the Lord Advocate whether he intends to at all.

bring forward a measure for improving THE DUKE OF ARGYLL said, that the the Registers of Titles to Land, and whesubject upon which his notice of Motion was ther he proposes to diminish the cost of founded was the letter of the noble Earl to Registration and Search in Scotland. the Chairman and Deputy Chairman of the THE LORD ADVOCATE said, a Bill East India Company, dated April 28th, was in preparation for improving the Re1858. Though that letter had not formed gisters of Titles to Land in Scotland, but the topic of discussion in their Lordships' he could not say upon what day he should House, yet in ludia it had attracted con- be able to bring it forward. The attention siderable attention, and had been the cause of Her Majesty's Government had also been of considerable alarm. He fully agreed directed to the diminution of the costs of with the noble Earl as to the delicacy of Registration and Search in Scotland; but, the question, but did not think that the in consequence of a measure that was passed character of the discussion in their Lord- last year, they had not yet been able to asships' House would be likely to affect the certain to what extent those costs should question injuriously

be diminished. THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH said, that it was impossible for bim to prevent CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS (SCOTLAND) the publication of that despatch as it formed

QUESTION. a necessary addition to the papers moved for in the House of Commons.

MR. MACKIE said, he wished to ask The EARL OP DERBY begged to state, the Lord Advocate whether, under the Act that no action had taken place upon the 10 & 11 Vict. c. 47, relating to the Serletter addressed to the Chairman and vice of Heirs, or under any other Statute, Deputy Chairman by bie noble Friend, but or by any practice of the Scottish Courts, the attention of the Government had been the Sheriff of Chancery, where any alteturned to this important question. The ration or amendment in the course of proreports from India had been carefully exceedings is necessary, has power to attach amined, but they did not furnish sufficient a condition of Money Payments to Cbari. information, and the Secretary of State table Institutions before pronouncing Defor India had called for a full and detailed cree of Service? report

from the home Government of India! THE LORD ADVOCATE said, the upon the working of the education scheme Question was of a somewhat peculiar chasince its introduction in 1855, what effect racter. He had given it the fullest conit had produced upon the Native mind, and sideration in his power, and had every what modifications were required. It was anxiety to give an answer; but, as it was very desirable that any discussion should a question of law, he thought he should be avoided on a subject so critical and so best perform his duty by declining to exdelicate - at least, until their Lordships press any opinion upon it.

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