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I cannot think of anything that is omitted.” this matter. We had under consideration But at last some ingenious Member of the last year the great subject of India, which Cabinet perhaps said, There is one sub- was enough to absorb the attention of any ject forgotten - there is the reform of Government, fraught as the circumstances Parliament; we must put that in.” The were with danger to our whole empire right hon. Gentleman seemed as unwilling there ; but there is now no such excuse for to touch on that subject here as the Cabinet procrastination. If the Government have were in putting it into the Speech. Heaven made up their minds to introduce a Reform knows how it has fallen into their charge! | Bill let them lay it on the table. I will Ilow came they to be Reformers ? How give no opinion on a measure of that kind they will answer that question when it is until I see what it proposes to do. If it put by the country, I cannot say. As the should be a good one, no doubt the great right hon. Gentleman the Member for majority of the House will be disposed to Radnor (Sir George Lewis) bas properly accept it. But I think that Her Masaid, “Before you ask for a reform in jesty's Government having accepted this Parliament and an amendment of the re- obligation, they are bound to fulfil it. I presentation you ought to point out the can easily understand that that will give evils which you want to redress. There them many a pang, and that they will be are some evils in the system of Parliamen- apt to think it is not the sort of task for tary representation which I wish to re- which they are best fitted. One right hon. dress. I think there are vast numbers of Gentleman the Vice President of the people who are not electors, but who are Committee of Council for Education (Mr. well entitled by their honesty to be admitted Adderley)—is stated to have said in reto electoral rights. I believe that their ference to this subject :-"To be sure we being admitted to these rights will give never before played the fiddle, but that is them a greater sense of their stake in the no reason why we should not now play it constitution and will strengthen the bases as well as anybody else.” Well, let them of the constitution. I do not believe this take it in haud now, and let us know what extension will shake any of the institutions is the tune they are disposed to give us. of this monarchical constitution, with its There is every disposition in this House to aristocracy and its Established Church. I wait their time ; but they must not be do not believe the admission of those per- putting off the subject. My hon. Friend sons who are fitted to exercise the fran- behind me (Mr. Bright), I am afraid, will chise will tend to injure any of the institu- hardly be able to restrain his impatience. tions of the country. I believe the mass But really it is the business of a Govern. of the country in general are of the opinion ment to undertake great questions of this of our forefathers before us-of the opinion nature ; they have given a pledge in this of Burke, Fox, and Pitt—that the institu- matter and they are bound to perform it. tions of this country have given the people Sir JOHN PAKINGTON: Sir, after as great a share of liberty and happiness the discussion to which the House has just as was ever enjoyed under any institutions listened, it is not my intention to trespass which human wisdom has devised. That, upon this occasion at any length on its inno doubt, was the opinion of Mr. Burke, dulgence. I am anxious, however, to enMr. Fox, and Mr. Pitt, and they were no deavour to remove the mistaken impression fools. I believe such to be the opinion of which the noble Lord the Member for the country in general, and I wish to see London seems to entertain with regard to those benefits extended. But I aim at a the intentions of Her Majesty's Governloss to understand the hesitation in this ment, in consequence of the place they matter. The right bon. Gentleman- have assigned in Her Majesty's Speech to " Now fitted the halter, now traversed the cart; the subject of Parliamentary Reform. The And often took leave, but seemed loth to depart." noble Lord seems to think that we have He seemed unwilling to apply the noose or treated that question with a great want of to fix the time. I do not want to hurry proper respect ; and the noble Lord seems the Government on this subject. I think disposed even to doubt the sincerity of Her it is quite fair that the First Lord of the Majesty's Government with regard to legisAdmiralty should say, “ We want to in- lation upon the subject, because they have crease our naval force ;' but I do not see not assigned to it a more prominent position that there is any subject which the Govern- in the Speech from the Throne. The ment intend to bring forward that will noble Lord appears to be perfectly confurnish them with any excuse for delay in vinced that it was only after a long con

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103 Sir John Lawrence- {LORDS} Explanation.

104 versation in the Cabinet, and it may be as HOUSE OF LORDS, an afterthought, that the subject of Reform found its way into the Speech at all. Friday, February 4, 1859. Now, of course we should be very unwilling Mirrtes.] Public Bills.—1• Vexatious Indictto incur the censure of the noble Lord, and

ments; Juries in Civil Causes. therefore we naturally looked around us to see what consolation we could find, or what SIR JOIN LAWRENCE.-EXPLANATION. precedent there might be for the course we EARL GRANVILLE: I am anxious, my thought it advisable to pursue.

Now I Lords, to take this early opportunity of hold in my hand the Speech delivered by making a statement with regard to one of Her Majesty to Parliament at the opening the most distinguished men in India-one of the Session in 1852, when the noble to whom this country is greatly indebted Lord was Prime Minister of this country, for the part which he took in the suppresand I find that that Speech, after contain- sion of the recent rebellion in India. ing various references to finance and a I allude to Sir John Lawrence. I have great number of other questions more or had a correspondence with that gentleman less connected with the government of the with respect to a statement which I made country, ends with the following para- last year, and, with the permission of the graph :

House, I will state the result of that cor" It appears to me that this is a fitting time for respondence. In the course of a debate in calmly considering whether it may not be advisable the last Session I stated, as a proof of the to make such amendments in the Act of the late reign relating to the representation of the Com- firmness of Lord Canning, that on hearing mons in Parliament as may be deemed calculated that negotiations had arisen with the in. to carry into more complete effect the principles surgents at Delhi, he took upon himself to on which that law is founded."

send a telegraphic message, objecting to Then there is in the Speech only one their being proceeded with, although they other sentence, which contains nothing had been regarded favourably by Sir John more than the usual formal wind-up of Lawrence and by the military authorities. documents of the same character ; so tliat Now, this statement was made upon inforwhatever error we may have committed, mation of the most reliable character. But whatever remissness we may have shown from the communications which I have upon this subject, we have at least the con- received from Sir John Lawrence, it apsolation of knowing that we are following pears that the negotiations were not with in the footsteps of the noble Lord. The the body of the insurgents, but were pronoble Lord assigned to this his favourite posed by the King of Delhi to the general topic-his own subject of Parliamentary in command, (General Reed) not General Reform-precisely the same position in Wilson, as I supposed at the time ; and Her Majesty's Speech which we have Sir John Lawrence concurred in the assigned to it, and I hope, now that I have opinion that it was desirable to negotiate removed from the mind of the noble Lord with the King of Delhi, on condition that the unfavourable impression he seems to he could give an assurance that he had have formed upon this point, I have only to never issued orders for the murder of any add that I trust a notice will at no very of our fellow-countrymen, and on his giving distant day be given to the House which a guarantee to deliver into our hands the will equally remove from his mind any gates of his palace, thereby enabling us doubt he may entertain of the determina- to take the other positions of the insurtion of the Government to deal with this gents in the reverse.

The chief reason great question in all sincerity and honesty. assigned by Sir John Lawrence for agreeMotion agreed to.

ing to those negotiations is the small numCommittee appointed to draw up an Address to ber of our troops, the inefficiency of our be presented to Her Majesty upon the said Reso- siege trains, the immense disproportion of lution : Mr. Trefusis, Mr. Beecroft, Mr. the field guns of the enemy, the almost CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. Secretary Walpole, General Peel, Lord Stanley, Sir John hopelessness of the prospect of taking Pakington, Mr. Henley, Lord John Manners, Delhi, and other considerations, wbich in Mr. Attorney General, Lord Nans, Mr. Arron- his opinion made this measure desirable ; NEY GENERAL for Ireland, Sir William JOLLIFFE, and which would moreover save many and Mr. FitzRoy, or any Five of them ;–To valuable lives. At that period the comwithdraw immediately Queen's Speech referred.

munications between Sir John Lawrence House adjourned at a quarter and Calcutta were entirely suspended.

before Eight o'clock. Sir John Lawrence sent information to


Lord Canning as to his views on this matter, My LORDS,
but I have reason to believe that that par-
ticular despatch was not receired by Lord

I thank you sincerely for your loyal and Canning. It appears that afterwards dutiful Address. message was received from Lord Canning,

I have great Satisfaction in receiving stating that he had heard rumours of such negotiations being on foot, and objecting to the Assurance of your careful Consideraany negotiations which would have for tion of the different Measures which will their result the replacing of the King of be submitted to you ; and you may rely Delhi in his former position. That tele- on My cordial Co-operation in your Engraphic message arrived after the negoti- deavours to improve and strengthen the ations had been found to be fruitless, and at the time when our troops had been rein- Institutions of the Country, and to proforced, and the siege had been very nearly mote the Happiness and Prosperity of My completed. These statements are the re- People. sult of a very long letter with which it is scarcely necessary to trouble your Lord

IMMIGRATION ACT (JAMAICA) PETITION. ships ; but the statements in this letter are fortified by confirmatory documents. My

LORD BROUGHAM presented a petiLords, I have never doubted for a moment tion from emancipated labourers, and that any course taken by Sir J. Lawrence others, of Arnatto Bay, in the Island of was supported by most weighty reasons ; Jamaica, complaining of a Bill having been and, at the same time, I am still of opin- passed, without due consideration and in ion that it required great moral courage on great haste, seriously detrimental to their the part of Lord Canning, when he heard of interests: the Bill related to the immigration the rumour of negotiations, to take upon

of free labour, and the Petition prayed himself to forbid such negotiations. Al- that the same might be disallowed. The though I have no doubt that Sir John petitioners complained that the Petition had Lawrence was right, and if possession of been passed through the Legislature with the place could have been obtained at that such haste, that they had no opportunity time it would have prevented the loss of of raising their voice against its enactvaluable lives ; still, upon the other hand, ment, They further stated that there judging after the event, it was of some ad- was

no want of labourers in that counvantage that Delhi should have been taken try, and that all attempts which had by our troops without any such negotiations been made to obtain a further supply of having been completed with the King, who them had proved absolute failures. The was at the head of the insurgents. No petitioners also complained that the introperson can imagine that I wish to dispa- duction of these labourers lowered the rate rage the merits of either of those distin- of their own wages ; and herein he could guished men in order to raise the character not altogether agree with the Petitioners, of the other. That is certainly not my in- but it tended to make him lean towards tention ; on the contrary, I believe that their view if the Bill imposed taxes both in their different capacities performed upon the Island so as to make them pay their duty in a manner which is now fully for a premium for this very importation. appreciated both in this country and in It was also a grievance that the work India. What is especially satisfactory to of the clergy was frustrated, as the inme is, that in his letter Sir John Lawrence migrants introduced a vast amount of superspeaks in the highest terms of Lord Can- stition and immorality ; and they therening, and Lord Canning bas never failed in fore prayed that their Lordships would, his private letters to me to acknowledge in by an address to the Crown, use their the warmest terms the great services of influence to prevent the Royal Assent Sir J. Lawrence.

being given to the measure. He should

not now go further into the matter, THE QUEEN'S ANSWER TO THE

than give notice that he should on Monday ADDRESS.

ask a question of the noble Lord, the THE LORD STEWARD

Under Secretary for the Colonies, as to HOUSEHOLD (the Marquess of ExeTER)

whether the Royal assent bad or had not brought up the following gracious Message been given to this Bill. from Her MAJESTY, in answer

to the

House adjourned at half-past five Address :

o'clock, to Monday next, half

past four o'clock.



HOUSE OF COMMONS, manent military habits, and lost all their

ordinary connection with the classes from Friday, February 4, 1859.

which they were drawn. It was, therefore, Minutes.] New Writ Issued.--For Dublin Uni- the intention of Government to disembody

versity, v. George Alexander Hamilton, esq., some regiments and call out others, espeSteward of the Manor of Northetead. Public Bills. — 1° Occasional Forms of Prayer. cially in the artillery service, in order to

give more opportunities for drilling and MILITARY HONOURS TO THE “ HOST,” | practice.

AT MALTA-QUESTION. SIR ANDREW AGNEW said, that GALWAY PORT AND HARBOUR, without alluding to any particular case he

QUESTION. wished to inquire of the Secretary of State Viscount DUNKELLIN said, he wishfor War whether a garrison order had been ed to inquire of the First Lord of the Adissued at Malta to the effect that all guards miralty whether he had any objection to and sentries are to present arms to and lay on the table of the House a copy of salute the Host whenever it might pass the instructions given to the Commissioners their respective posts? Whether Her Ma- appointed last October, by the Irish Gojesty's Government had sanctioned this vernment, to visit and inspect the port order, or were prepared to allow a similar and harbour of Galway ; and a copy of one to be enforced in any British depen. the Report presented by the Commisdency? Whether Captain Sheffield, of the sioners on the condition and wants of the 21st Royal North British Fusiliers, had harbour; and to state what steps, if any been placed under arrest for declining (as Her Majesty's Government had taken, or a Protestant) to comply with this order? proposed to take, in consequence thereof?

GENERAL PEEL replied that all orders Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said, that given to the troops in garrison abroad were there was not the slightest objection to transmitted to this country. He had lay the Report to which the noble Lord made inquiries at the Horse Guards, and had referred on the table of the House. was informed that no order whatever had In point of strictness, the inquiry was not been given, except the circular issued by carried on by a Commission. He received Lord Hill, in 1837. That circular had an application from the Lord Lieutenant been acted on up to the present time with of Ireland, expressing a wish that some out any complaint having been made, or inquiry should be made with regard to the the authorities sceing occasion to alter it. capabilities of the port and barbour of

Galway as a barbour of refuge and a port TIIE MILITIA-QUESTION.

for the packet service. In consequence of COLONEL NORTH said, he would beg that application he appointed two expeJeave to ask the right hon. Gentleman at rienced officers of the Admiralty (Captain the head of the War Department whether Washington and Captain Vetch) to make there was any truth in the rumour that it an inquiry. The Government of Ireland was in the contemplation of Her Majesty's associated with those gentlemen an expeGovernment to reduce 10,000 of the pre-rienced Irish engineer (Mr. Gibbon), and sent embodied militia force?

those three gentlemen made an investigaGENERAL PEEL said, that the strength tion as to the capability of the port of of the embodied militia always had depend. Galway, both as a packet station and a ed, and would continue to depend, on the harbour of refuge. As he had stated, he number of men required to complete the had no objection to lay their Report on the establishment voted by Parliament, which table, but he might state that it was cerduring the present year amounted to nearly tainly very much in favour of the adoption 22,000. It would depend entirely on the of the port for those purposes.

If he renumber of regiments sent home from India collected rightly, it was stated that for an this year whether that number would be expenditure of a few thousand pounds diminished or not. No doubt the rumour Galway Bay might be rendered very vahad arisen from the circumstance that it luable both as a harbour of refuge and was the intention of the Government to a packet station. The latter part of the disembody some regiments in order to sub- question did not strictly belong to the destitute others. The Government did not partment with which he had the honour of think it advisable to keep the same regi- being connected. It was rather one for ments embodied for a very great length of the Treasury than for the Admiralty; but time, inasmuch as the men acquired per- he night state that the Government had been in communication both with the Lord Gentleman in the House understood it bet. Lieutenant of Ireland and the Postmaster ter. Expectation had been held out upon General, but no final decision had yet been this subject by the noble Lord before he made.

entered office, and lie (Mr. Hadfield) had MR. H. HERBERT said, he wished to the greatest confidence that those expectaask whether the gentlemen referred to tions would be realized now that he was in were instructed to inquire into the capa- office. The noble Lord had a magnificent bilities of any other port in Ireland besides work before him, and one might well envy that of Galway ?

his position. He had an opportunity, by Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said, that the adoption of a sound policy, to advance the communication which he had received the best interests of India, and at the same from the Irish Government referred solely time he could secure to this country the to Galway, and the inquiry had been con- greatest blessings. He felt sure that the fined to that port.

noble Lord would not neglect that oppor

tunity. At the same time, perhaps, it THE ADDRESS.-REPORT.

would not be inconvenient that the House Report of Address brought up and read. should be informed of the intentions of the

MR. HADFIELD said, he could not but Government with respect to this important express great pleasure at that portion of subject. the Queen's Speech which referred to the LORD STANLEY: The House, I am improvement of India. The importance of sure, will not desire that I should go now India to this country could not be over- into details upon the question of the cotton rated, especially at the present time, when supply and the progress of public works in the manufacturing portion of the commu- India. I shall have the opportunity of nity were expressing some alarm lest there alluding to that subject ten days bence, should be a deficiency in cotton and other since it is one which is naturally connected raw material. He believed that no one with the question of Indian finance. For knew better than the noble Lord at the the present, I will only say that I agree head of the Indian department the capa- with the hon. Member both as to the posbilities of India, and it was but reasonable sibility and as to the importance of greatly to hope that after all the blood and trea-, increasing the supply of cotton from India. sure which had been expended in India It has been estimated that the difference this country should now reap some ad between a good and a scanty supply of vantage, especially as that advantage cotton in this country is about equal to the would be shared in by the conquered as difference between a war income tax and well as the conquerors. Nothing was so no income tax at all. It is therefore a important to the welfare of this country matter to which no English Minister and as that there should be a good and no Member of this House can be indiffeconstant supply of that staple article rent. I

agree with the hon. Member also, manufacture-cotton; and for that the most important means which the his part he knew of no reason which Government have in their power for the could prevent its being supplied in abun- purpose of promoting the cotton supply dance by our own dependencies. It had from India is to facilitate communication been calculated that the manufacturers of | between different parts of the country. I England were paying ten millions of money believe that if we can only supply means of annually, beyond the natural price for that transit from the interior to the coast, it article to the United States. It was the will be found that any other difficulties duty, therefore, of the Government to which may be supposed to be in the way do all in their power to foster the of carrying on the cultivation of the artiproduce, and facilitate the transmission cle will rapidly diminish. The Government of so necessary a material. The wants of is fully convinced that, even in the present India were chiefly limited to two-roads condition of Indian finance and that this and water for the purpose of irrigation. condition is very serious I need scarcely With these supplied,' he believed that that tell this House—it is their duty not to discountry would be able to make up all the continue expenditure upou public works. difference between an abundant and a re- Caution and discrimination will be needed ; stricted supply of cotton. He had the but if we were to discontinue all outlay greatest confidence in the noble Lord, and upon public works until a deficit should beknew that he entertained the most enlight- come a surplus, that would not be the ened views on the question. Probably no way to bring the finances of India into

of our

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