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Mr. Benson objected to some of the duties solid objection, because the information it would mentioned in the resolution. He thought the less furnish would more than counterbalance that the Government corresponded with particular article. States the better, and there could be no necessity The question he conceived to be reduced to for an officer to see to the execution of the laws this, whether a confidential officer would not be of the United States, when there was a Judiciary more useful than any other, and whether the duinstituted with adequate powers.
ties could be distributed among the officers alMr. WHITE was not convinced that there was a ready instituted. For his part he conceived most necessity for establishing a separate department of them foreign to either of those officers; and for all or any of the duties contained in the reso- that they could not be performed with advantage lution. The correspondence with the States be- any other way than by an officer appointed spelonged to the Executive. To see to the execu- cially for the purpose. He thought every gention of the laws was the duty of the Judiciary. tleman would admit that the duties were imporThe great seal might be kept by the Secretary of tant, and he assured them that his only reason for Foreign Affairs; the lesser seal might be deposi. bringing the motion forward was, to provide for ted in the same hands. Commissions might be the public good. He had no personal motives in made out by the departments to which the officer pressing it; he disclaimed every idea of serving is connected. The Secretary of the Senate and any particular man by the arrangement, and restClerk of the House might transmit the publiced it solely upon its merits. acts, and keep records, thereof. What have Con Mr. SEDGWICK believed the honorable gentlegress to do with the acts of States ?. If they in- man in his assertions, that he had no personal moterfere with the Constitutional powers of the Go- tive in pressing this business. He believed that vernment, the Judges will prevent their operation. he thought it essential, and if his sentiments were The papers of the late Congress may he distri- the same, he would join the gentleman in supbuted among the offices to which they relate; porting the motion; but, after duly considering the rest may be deposited with the officers of the subject, he was inclined to believe that the ofCongress. The want of the reports on manufac- fice was unnecessary, and that it would be squantures, agriculture, and commerce, may be sup- dering the public money, at a time when the plied by Congress. The post roads may be left greatest economy is requisite. He thought the to the Postmaster General. The census must be principal part of the duties might be assigned to returned to Congress, and they will preserve it the Secretary of Foreign Affairs; and he would, among their files. And it can hardly be thought if the committee negatived the present motion, necessary to establish a great department for the introduce another for that purpose. purpose of receiving the models, specimens, and Mr. Gerry thought the burdens of the people books, presented by authors and inventors
. If would be sufficiently great in providing the supnone of these things are requisite to be done by a plies absolutely necessary for the support of the great department, why should the United States Government; therefore it would be improper to incur the expense which such an arrangement add expenses which might possibly be avoided. must necessarily draw along with it.
The people are viewing the proceedings of ConMr. HUNTINGTON thought the Secretary of gress with an attentive solicitude, and if they obForeign Affairs was not so much overcharged serve that we erect offices for which there is no with business but that he might attend to the ma- apparent necessity, they will be apt to think we are jor part of the duties mentioned in the resolution. providing sinecures for men whom we favor; they
Mr. Vining said he had waited until the great will reluctantly pay what is extracted from their Executive departments were established; but earnings to a Government which they think is renone of those had embraced the duties contained gardless of economy. They will suspect a further in his proposition, which he conceived to be of view in the change of Government. They will great importance; many of the duties were as es- suppose that we contemplate the establishment of sential as those of any other department, except a monarchy, by raising round the Executive a phathe Treasury. As for their belonging to the Ex- lanx of such men as must be inclined to favor ecutive, as was said by the gentleman from Vir- those of whom they hold their places. ginia, he admitted it; but they were, neverthe Mr. VINING.-Why do gentlemen say that such less, as proper to be put into the hands of a prin- an office is unnecessary, when they are forced to cipal officer under the President, as the War of- admit that all the duties are essential? Or how fice, or office of Foreign Affairs;
the duties of can they say it is more expensive to establish it in these were specially within the Executive De- this way than in another? Suppose these duties partment of the Government. He conceived that distributed in the manner which some gentlemen the President ought to be relieved from the infe- have mentioned, is it not fairly to be presumed rior duties of his station, by officers assigned to that the departments to which any of them are attend to them under his inspection; he could attached, will require an extra pay for these extra then, with a mind free and unembarrassed with services? If so, will there be any economy in the minutiæ of business, attend to the operations this mode of procedure ? All that is to be wished of the whole machine.
for, is to have a confidential person employed, let If the office was admitted to be necessary, and his salary be what you please: if it is not worth he was certain the performance of the duties fifteen hundred dollars per annum, let it be five were useful and essential, the expense could be no hundred. But it would be better to have a prin
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[JULY, 1789. cipal to manage the business than to have it con- They then reported the bill with the amendments signed to clerks in the other departments, to the House, which were ordered to lie on the
Mr. LAWRENCE said that something was neces. table. sary to be done with respect to the business Mr. GERRY presented a bill for registering and brought forward by the honorable gentleman from clearing vessels, ascertaining their tonnage, and Delaware. He conceived that an officer of the for regulating the coasting trade, which was read rolls, or some inferior officer, ought to be appointed a first time, and ordered to lie on the table. to transact the business detailed in the resolution ; Mr. Baldwin, from the select committee to he did not insist upon making a great department. whom was committed the bill for settling the
Mr. SEDGWICK agreed with the gentleman from accounts between the United States and the indiNew York; but, he thought, the business might vidual States, reported, that the committee had, be thrown into some other department, and save according to order
, had the said bill under considerto the Union the expense of the one which the ation, and made amendments thereto, which he gentleman from Delaware wished to establish, read in his place, and afterwards delivered in at by the name of the Home Department. He the Clerk's table, where the same was again read thought the resolution proposed altogether so im- twice, amended, and agreed to by the House, and proper, thåt he hoped the committee would rise. ordered to be engrossed.
A desultory conversation arose, whether the A petition from Nathaniel Gorham, of the committee should decide upon the resolution or State of Massachusetts, was presented and read, not; after which a question was taken on the setting forth that Oliver Phelps, Esq., and the rising of the committee, and decided in the petitioner, are interested, by purchase from the negative.
State of Massachusetts, in certain lands which Then the question was put on the first part of will be materially affected by the line directed to Mr. VINING's proposition, viz: " That an Execu- be run between the United States and the State tive Department ought to be established, to be of New York, and praying that such measures denominated the Home Department;" and lost by may be taken therein as shall be consistent with a considerable majority.
a due regard to the rights of the said Phelps and It was then moved and seconded that the com- the petitioner. mittee rise, which being agreed to, the committee Ordered to lie on the table. rose and reported that they had, according to order, had the State of the Union under considera
COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. tion, but had come to no resolution thereon. Mr. FitzsiMONS.—The finances of America
A motion was then made by Mr. SEDGWICK, have frequently been mentioned in this House as that a committee be appointed to bring in a bill being very inadequate to the demands. I have supplementary to the act for establishing the De- ever been of a different opinion, and do believe partment of Foreign Affairs, declaring that depart- that the funds of this country, if properly drawn ment to be hereafter denominated and into operation, will be equal to every claim. The that the principal officer in that department shall estimate of supplies necessary for the current have the custody of the records and seal of the year appears very great from a report on your United States, and that such bill do contain a table, and which report has found its way into the provision for the fees of office to be taken for public newspapers. I said, on a former occasion, copies of records, and further provision for the and I repeat it now, notwithstanding what is set due publication of the acts of Congress, and such forth in the estimate, that a revenue of three milother matters relating to the premises, as the lions of dollars in specie, will enable us to provide committee shall deem necessary to be reported to every supply necessary to support the Governthis House.
ment, and pay the interest and instalments on the And the question being put thereupon, it passed foreign and domestic debt. If we wish to have in the negative.
more particular information on these points, we Another petition from Baron de Glaubeck was ought to appoint a Committee of Ways and presented and read, praying the attention of Con- Means, to whom, among other things, the estigress to his former petition, to be compensated for mate of supplies may be referred, and this ought certain losses and military services rendered du- to be done speedily, if we mean to do it this ring the late war.
session. Mr. Page, from the committee appointed for Mr. Gerry said, the estimate reported by a the purpose, made a further report on Andrew committee was as accurate as possible. From this Ellicott's memorial, after which the House ad- it appeared that eight millions of dollars would journed.
be necessary for the support of Government, for
the interest and instalments becoming due, and for Friday, July 24.
the arrearages already due. He remarked, that
we had been already dunned on this subject by The engrossed bill allowing a compensation to foreigners, and that Congress would have to make the President and Vice President, was read the provision for their payment. If three millions of third time; when, on motion, it was committed dollars were employed to this use, it would only to a Committee of the whole House : whereupon be carrying the arrearages into another year; the House resolved itself into a committee on but, as they must be paid at last, he recommended the bill, and made some amendments therein. I making an immediate exertion, as a better way
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of giving satisfaction than procrastination would Resolved, That it is the opinion of this committee be. He thought it best to lay the real situa- that the following ought to be established joint rules tion of this country before the House, and not between the two Houses, to wit: endeavor to make things appear better than they
That while the bills are on their passage between the really are.
two Houses, they shall be on paper, and under the sigWith respect to the publication of the estimate nature of the Secretary or the Clerk of each House in the papers, he knew nothing about it; he ad- respectively: mitted that it was such a one as ought not to be
After a bill shall have passed both Houses, it shall be published by order of Congress. He approved of duly enrolled on parchment by the Clerk of the House the idea of appointing a Committee of Ways and the bill may have originated in the one or the other
of Representatives, or the Secretary of the Senate, as Means, if it were only to ascertain what part of House, before it shall be presented to the President of the interest on the debt should be paid, and what the United States. of the principal extinguished within the current When bills are enrolled, they shall be presented by a year, from the funds already provided.
joint committee of one from the Senate, and two from Mr. Fitzsimons did not mean to reflect upon the House of Representatives, appointed as a standing the committee who had reported the estimate, in committee for that purpose, who shall carefully compare any thing he had said; but he thought it of such the enrolled with the engrossed bills, as proposed in the a nature as to require it to be referred to a Com- two Houses, and correcting any errors that may be dismittee of Ways and Means. He observed, that covered in the enrolled bills, make their report forthwith the arrearages were due by several of the States to the respective Houses. on the former requisitions of Congress, and if After examination and report, each bill shall be signthese were paid up, the great demand might be ed in the respective Houses, first by the Speaker of the satisfied. He doubted whether the whole arrear- House of Representatives, and then by the President ages of interest on the domestic debt would be ex- of the Senate. pected to be provided for at the first session of
After a bill shall thus have been signed in each House, Congress; but he was certain, that, in a little time; sident of the United States for his approbation, it being
it shall be presented, by the said committee, to the Prethe Government would be able to discharge all first endorsed on the back of the roll
, certifying in these incumbrances, and to pay the interest on their debt with such a degree of punctuality, as shall be signed by the secretary, or clerk, (as the case
which House the same originated; which endorsement would give satisfaction to every individual cre- may be,) of the House in which the same did originate, ditor.
and shall be entered on the journals of each House. A Committee of Ways and Means was then the said committee shall report the day of presentation appointed, consisting of Messrs. Fitzsimons, to the President, which time shall be also carefully enVINING, LIVERMORE, CadwalADER, LAWRENCE, tered on the journals of each House. WaDSWORTH, Jackson, Smith, (of Maryland,) All orders, resolutions, and votes, which are to be SMITH, (of South Carolina,) and Madison, to presented to the President of the United States for his whom it was referred to consider the report of a approbation, shall also, in the same manner, be precommittee appointed to prepare an estimate of viously enrolled, examined, and signed; and shall be supplies requisite for the services of the United presented in the same manner, and by the same comStates for the current year, and to report thereon. mittee, as provided in case of bills. The House then adjourned.
That when the Senate and House of Representatives shall judge it proper to make a joint address to the Pre
sident, it shall be presented to him in his audience MONDAY, July 27.
chamber, by the President of the Senate, and in the The engrossed bill for settling the accounts presence of the Speaker and both Houses. between the United States and individual States, that a committee ought to be appointed to prepare and
Resolved, That it is the opinion of this committee, was read the third time, and the blanks being filled, bring in a bill or bills, to provide, without the establishthe bill passed.
ment of a new department, for the safe keeping of the JOINT RULES FOR ENROLMENT.
accounts, records, and seal of the United States; for the
authentication of records and papers; for establishing The House resolved itself into a Committee of the fees of office to be taken for commissions, and for the whole House, on the report of the committee copies of records and papers; for making out and reappointed to confer with a committee of the Secording commissions, and prescribing their form; and to nate, in preparing joint rules to be established be- provide for the due publication of the acts of Congress. tween the two Houses for the enrolment, attesta- Ordered, That a committee be appointed, purtion, publication, and preservation of the acts of suant to the second resolution, and that Messrs. Congress, and to regulate the mode of presenting Sedgwick, Matthews, and WYNKOOP, be of the addresses and other acts to the President of the said committee. United States, Mr. Boudinot in the Chair.
After some time the committee rose, and reported, that they had had the said report under
TUESDAY, July 28. consideration, and gone through the same, and Mr. Vining, from the committee to whom it come to several resolutions thereupon, which was referred to take the subject of amendments were delivered in at the Clerk's table, where the to the Constitution generally into their considerasame were severally twice read, and agreed to by tion, and to report thereon, made a report, which the House, as follows:
was ordered to lie on the table.
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[AUGUST, 1789. A message from the Senate informed the Messrs. White and PARTRIDGE were accordHouse. that they had passed the bill to regulate ingly appointed. the collection of the duties imposed by law on the Mr. White, of the committee appointed to ex. tonnage of ships or vessels, and on goods, wares, amine into the measures taken by Congress and and merchandises imported into the United the State of Virginia, respecting the lands reseryStates, with several amendments, to which they ed for the use of the officers and soldiers of said desired the concurrence of the House.
State, &c., brought in a report, which was read The House immediately took said amendments and laid on the table. into consideration, and concurred therewith. The House then resumed the consideration of
The petitions of the Baron de Glaubeck, here the amendments agreed upon in Committee of tofore laid on the table, were referred to a select the Whole, to the bill for registering and clearing committee, consisting of Messrs. Page, SUMTER, vessels; which being finished, the bill was orderand HEISTER.
ed to be engrossed for a third reading on Monday The bill for registering and clearing vessels, next. and for regulating the coasting trade, was read a A message from the Senate informed the second time; and, on motion, the House resolved House that they had passed the bill for establishitself into a Committee of the Whole upon it, ing the Treasury Department, with amendments; Mr. Boudinot in the Chair; and, after making to which they desired the concurrence of the some progress in its consideration, rose, and ob- House. tained leave to sit again.
Mr. Sedgwick, from the committee appointed for the purpose, brought in a bill to provide for
the safe keeping of the acts, records, and great WEDNESDAY, July 29.
seal of the United States, for the publication, preThe House again resolved itself into a Com-servation, and authentication of the acts of Conmittee of the Whole, Mr. BoUdinot in the Chair, gress, &c.; which was read and laid on the table. on the bill for registering and clearing vessels, and for regulating the coasting trade; and agreed
MONDAY, August 3. to some amendments thereto; but not having got through the same, rose, and obtained leave to sit that they had passed the bill for the establishment
A message from the Senate informed the House again.
of light-houses, beacons, and buoys, with several
amendments; to which they desired the concurTHURSDAY, July 30.
rence of this House. Mr. LIVERMORE introduced a resolution to sup
The amendments of the Senate were immediply each member, at the public expense, with two ately considered and agreed to. newspapers of the city, daily, such as he should
The engrossed bill for regulating the coasting choose. Ordered to lie on the table.
trade was read a third time; and, on motion, reA message from the Senate informed the committed to a Committee of the whole, to be House that they had passed the bill for settling taken up to-morrow. the accounts between the United States and the The bill for establishing a Land Office for the individual States, without amendment.
Western Territory was read a second time, and
made the order of the day for Thursday: REGISTERING VESSELS.
The bill to provide for the safe keeping of the The House again went into a Committee of acts, records, great seal, &c., was read, and made the Whole on the bill for registering and clearing the order of the day for Friday. vessels, and for regulating the coasting trade; The report of the committee on amendments and having gone through it, reported the bill with to the Constitution was, on motion of Mr. MADIthe proposed amendments. The House agreed to son, made the order of the day for Wednesday some of the amendments, negatived others, and sennight. made some additional ones. The House adjourn Mr. Benson made a motion as follows: ed before the discussion on the bill was closed. Resolved, That a committee be appointed to join
with a committee of the Senate to be appointed for the Friday, July 31.
purpose, to consider and report when it will be conve
nient and proper that an adjournment of the present Mr. Page, from the committee to whom the session of Congress should take place; and to conpetitions of the Baron de Glaubeck were referred, sider and report such business now before Congress
, made a report, which was ordered to lie on the necessary to be finished before the adjournment, table.
and such as may be conveniently postponed to the Mr. Scott, from the committee appointed for next session; and also to consider and report such the purpose, brought in a bill for establishing a matters not now before Congress, but which will be Land Office for the Western Territory, which was necessary should be considered and determined by Conread and laid on the table.
gress before an adjournment. On motion,
The bill for establishing the Treasury DepartResolved, That a standing, committee be ap- ment, with the amendments proposed by the Senpointed to examine the enrolled bills, and to pre- ate, being read, were acceded to in part; the sent the same to the President for his approbation consideration of two articles was postponed till and signature.
Compensation of Members.
The bill for allowing compensation for their consideration, and gone through the same, and services to the President and Vice President of had made several amendments thereto, which he the United States was taken up; and, on motion delivered at the Clerk's table, where the same of Mr. Smith, of South Carolina, a clause was were twice read, and agreed to by the House. added to the bill, by which the President is to Mr. Benson's motion of yesterday, respecting have the use of the furniture and other effects the adjournment, was agreed to by the House, now in his possession, belonging to the United and a committee appointed for the purpose, conStates.
sisting of Messrs. WADSWORTH, CARROLL, and The bill was then ordered to be engrossed for HARTLEY. a third reading to-morrow, and then the House The House resumed the consideration of the adjourned.
amendments proposed by the Senate to the bill
to establish the Treasury Department. WhereTUESDAY, August 4.
Resolved, That this House doth agree to so much of A petition of sundry freeholders of the county the eighth amendment as proposes to strike out these of Cumberland, in the State of Pennsylvania, words in the seventh clause of the bill, to wit: “ The whose names were thereunto subscribed, was pre- assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury shall be apsented to the House, and read, praying that the pointed by the President;" and doth disagree to such District and Circuit Judicial Courts of the United other part of said amendment as proposes to strike out States, to be established in the said State, may be the residue of the clause. fixed in some central place therein, convenient to After which, the House adjourned. the citizens thereof at large.
Also, a petition of Christopher Collis, of the city of New York, praying that an exclusive
WEDNESDAY, August 5. privilege may be granted him in the benefits of an invention which he has reduced to practice, House that they had passed an act to establish
A message from the Senate informed the for counting, with the utmost precision, the number of revolutions or vibrations of any wheel, or
an Executive department, to be denominated the other part of any mechanical engine or machine. Department of War, with several amendments,
An engrossed bill for making compensation to to which they desired the concurrence of the the President and Vice President of the United House. That they have also passed the bill to States, was read the third time and passed, and provide for the government of the territory northsent to the Senate for their concurrence.
west of the river Ohio, with several amendments,
to which they desired the concurrence of this COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS. House. Mr. Burke, from the committee appointed for
The House proceeded to consider the amendthe purpose, brought in a bill for allowing a com- ments to the said bills, and they were severally pensation to the members of both Houses, and to agreed to. their respective officers.
Resolved, That a committee be appointed to bring in a This bill provides that the compensation shall bill to establish the salaries of the Executive Officers of be as follows, viz:
the Government, with their assistants and clerks. To each member of the Senate and House, six Whereupon Messrs. Fitzsimons, LAWRENCE, dollars per day.
and Griffin were appointed. Speaker of the House twelve dollars per day. An engrossed bill for registering and clearing
To the Secretary of the Senate, and Clerk of vessels was read a third time, and passed, and the House, each fifteen hundred dollars a year, sent to the Senate for their concurrence. and two dollars a day each during the session of The House then resolved itself into a Comthe Legislature; one principal clerk to each, at mittee of the Whole, on the bill for allowing three dollars a day during the session; one en compensation to the members of the Senate and grossing clerk to each, at two dollars a day during the House of Representatives of the United States, the session.
and to the officers of both Houses, Mr. BOUDINOT Sergeant-at-Arms, three dollars a day during in the Chair. the session.
Mr. GOODHUE moved to strike out six dollars, Doorkeeper to the House and Senate, each as the pay of each member per diem. seven hundred and thirty dollars a year.
Mr. CARROLL inquired if it was not out of orAssistant Doorkeepers, during the session, one der to alter principles, after they had been settled dollar and fifty cents a day each. This bill' was by the House ? laid on the table.
Mr. Page wanted to know whether the gentleThe House, according to the order of the day, man meant to increase or diminish the sum, for resolved itself into a Committee of the whole he presumed it was not intended to be left a blank House, on the bill for registering and clearing altogether; but he hoped the House would do vessels
, and regulating the coasting trade. After neither. It had been settled, after mature delibesome time being spent therein, and going through ration, at six dollars; the House certainly thought the bill
that sum enough, and if it was more, that it would The Chairman reported that the committee be too much: he was satisfied with this determihad had, according to order, the said bill under nation, and would adhere to it. Perhaps the gen