[ 482 ] MINOR CORRESPONDENCE. In our number for January we propose to lay before our Readers a fine bird's eye View of the intended St. Katharine's Docks, with a circumstantial detail of the design of that immense public undertaking. The helmet depicted by an ADMIRER of ANTIQUES, which was found in Stanwell Churchyard, Middlesex, is a demilauncer's casque of the time of Elizabeth. The bars and chin-piece, of which he speaks, were affixed for the purpose of placing it over a monument; now that they are removed, it is restored to its original state. The catch or rivet at the top was put on at the same time as the bars, in order to hold the crest, and, like them, were foreign to its original purpose. T.R. WEETON is referred, for the present, to several elaborate Essays on Surnames, by Dr. Pegge the antiquary, in vol. XLII.; also to vol. XLIV. p. 252, and some other places mentioned in our General Indexes. An analysis of Verstegan's "Restitution of Decayed Intelligence was printed in vol. LXXXI. ii. 18. A small volume on Names, by Mr. Brady, is reviewed in vol. xcn. i. 437. The Medallion of Pescennius Niger, sent by our kind Correspondent J.L. is a very bad one, and being known to be false, is of little or no value. J. L. appears to have formed an erroneous opinion, when he states that such spurious pieces are held by Medallists in a certain degree of estimation. The contrary is the fact. T. ROE says, Antiquarius (p. 194), is referred to Dugdale's Baronage,' vol. 11. p. 139, et seq. for much information respecting the noble family of West de la War. The principal residence of Thomas Lord de la War, in the early part of the reign of Henry VIII. was Offington in the parish of Broadwater in Sussex. This nobleman, by his will, dated 8 Oct. 17 Hen. VIII. he queathed his body to be buried in the tombe of freestone, within the chancel of the Church of Broadwater. This tomb, like most others in country Churches, was so defaced with coats of whitewash, as to have lost all its original beauty, until the late Hon. Mrs. Damer, (who was connected with the family of De la War) employed herself in chiselling out the accumulated coats of whitewash, and restoring it to its former freshness. Thomas Lord La War, son of the above, was also buried in the Church of Broadwater; but the arms and ornaments on his tomb are yet buried in whitewash. He married Elizabeth, heiress of — Benville of Halnaker in Sussex. In the Church of Boxgrove, in which parish Halnaker is situated, is a magnificent sepulchral oratory or sacellum, in which a priest used to pray for the souls of himself and his wife. The two tombs at Broadwater, and this at Boxgrove, are probably the work of the same artist, being most interesting examples of that style of architecture where the Grecian is engrafted in the Gothic. In the ancient house of Halnaker (of which see a view in vol. LXXXII. i. 409), and which is almost now a ruin, are some most curious remains; a room yet exists of carved wainscoat, in which are figures of King Henry VIII. and Queen Catherine, of Thomas Lord De la War and his wife, together with various armorial bearings. This is now used as a bed-room by the cottager, who occupies the few remaining rooms in this once magnificent mansion, and seldom seen unless particularly enquired after. It is among the most interesting remains of domestic architecture with which the writer of this hasty note is acquainted. The estate at Halnaker was exchanged with the Crown for the site of the Abbey of Wherwell in Hampshire, during the lifetime of this Thomas Lord De la War; and the estate of Offington was alienated early in the reign of Elizabeth to Edward Alford.A Stanstead Correspondent, who signs “PATRUM VIRTUS," remarks, that "the family of Ware, though the title was conveyed to the West family by the first-born female, was perpetuated by a younger son. A descendant went into Ireland with Earl Fitzwilliam, when Lord Lieutenant, as confidential Secretary, and is highly mentioned in history." A CORRESPONDENT observes, "in p. 372, Lord Langford is stated to have been created Baron Rowley. This is an error adopted from p. 1138 of the last Edition of Debrett's Peerage; his Lordship's only title of Peerage was Baron Langford of Summerhill." The same Correspondent says, "Lord Lilford's title is Baron Lilford, co. Northampton, without any other addition; it was incorrect, therefore, in page 275 to style his Lordship "Baron Lilford of Lilford Park, and of Atherton and Bewsey, co. Lancaster." The latter places were his Lordship's property, but made no part of his Baronial title. Since the letter of Mr. Milne, in p. 496, was printed, that Gentleman has addressed us, saying that, upon reflection, he would write the name of his parish Sweyn-Denmark. It would still be pronounced Swedenmark. We received the favour alluded to by our kind Correspondent from Magellegan. ERRATA.-P. 98 b. 37, for death read second marriage; 189 b. 53, for Horsley read Halifax, (Mrs. Halifax was sister to Mrs. Way, recently deceased); 297 a. 11, read Kytson; 368 a. 44, Curraghmore; 392 b. 8 from bottom, Columesii; 400 b. last line, dele which; 405 b. 25 read not; 407 &. 34, read 6 min. 29 sec.; 37, read 9 min. 6 sec. THE GENTLEMAN'S MAGAZINE. DECEMBER, 1825. ORIGINAL COMMUNICATIONS. DESCENDANTS OF THE PRINCESS MARY TUdor. Mr. URBAN, Paris, Dec. 17. N your Mag. for Nov. the EDITOR OF DEBRETT'S PEERAGE calls on the author of an article signed a GENEALOGIST, containing animadversions on his work, to make good, in your present month, certain statements he has sent forth, at the peril of being convicted of having asserted what he cannot prove! Nothing is more easy than to accept and carry to a successful issue this challenge. But your Magazine only reached me on Thursday evening, the 15th, and yesterday having written a reply extending to a sheet, it struck me on folding it up, that its length would exclude its insertion, since it could not reach you till the 20th or 21st. I have therefore suppressed what I had written; and must confine myself to the strictest limits in the reply of this month*. I request your readers to look to the confidence and defiance of this challenge. See how completely a very simple and well-known tale will put him down! He taunts me to show that Lady Willoughby, the Marchioness Cholmondeley, the young Marchioness Bute, and Lord Guilford, are the descendants of the Princess Mary Tudor! He appeals to such of your readers as are conversant with the genealogies of our nobility; - among whom, however, I never yet met with one not familiar with the following facts, which he ventures thus to call in question. Ferdinando Stanley, Earl of Derby, heir of the body of Lady Eleanor, youngest daughter and coheir of the Princess Mary Tudor, left issue Lady Anne, his eldest daughter and coheir, married to Grey Brydges, 5th Lord Chandos, whose son and heir George, 6th Lord Chandos, left a daughter and coheir Margaret, married to Wm. Brownlow, of Humby, co. Linc. esq. from whom descended Sir John Brownlow of Belton, bart. whose daughter and coheir Jane married Peregrine Bertie, 2d Duke of Ancaster, whose son Peregrine, 3d Duke, was father of Lady Willoughby and the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. From another coheir of Brownlow came the mother of Francis North, 1st Earl of Guilford, whose grandson Geo. 3d Earl, was mother of the present Marchioness of Bute. Now these are not the mere junior descendants hunted through a variety of changes of name and family, but the DIRECT and CHIEF HEIRS, deriving through great historical houses! What else I have to say, if I shall think it worth while to say any more, after this specimen of my opponent's intelligence and self-confidence, must be reserved for another month,-except that I must not omit to assure Debrett's Editor, that I had not the most remote idea of his name and vo cation, till at least a month after my communication to you, which was sent from Paris on 22d July. I learned his name with some surprise from a gentleman who came from England on or after the 4th of Sept. I consider the notice of this fact essential, because I deem it utterly unjustifiable to be influenced in the critique of a book by personalities extrinsic to that book. I drew my inferences solely from the matter of the book itself. That matter cannot be denied to be public game. He who prints what is circulated and sold is surely not unamenable to public question for what he asserts. The matter of my reply is as open to attack, as the pages of Debrett's Editor. My writings are pub A Table of the Descendants from the Princess Mary Tudor has since been received from this Correspondent, and shall appear in our next. 484 Descendants of the Princess Mary Tudor. lic property; they are open to any animadversion which Debrett's Editor can make on them, consistent with good faith and decency of manner. I come forward without a mask, and subscribe my name to this article. I thought Debrett's Peerage not only not improved, but badly edited,-merely by an examination of its contents; not guessing who the editor was: I think so still: but I am now surprised at it; because I am assured by those in whose judgment I put faith, that the Editor is fully competent to his task his vocation qualifies him for it, and I must therefore attribute his defects to carelessness. He talks of my genealogical incapacity and ignorance. The signature of my name will be a ready index to the proof of it, if the charge be true. The matter is spread over a wide space, and he has a large field to select from. He calls in question also my literary skill: in which department his opportunities of proof are equally copious. He is very jocose about the awkard construction Mr. URBAN, Dec. 3. THE [Dec. of a sentence which he cites. If I wrote it so, which perhaps I did— (though I rather think it was an abridged extract from my communication), the whole error consists in the hasty writing of the word “ AS” the last instance, instead of "UNDER" the last instance. I beg to state, that nothing shall draw me into any personal contest with Debrett's Editor, especially since I know his name: I will reserve the right of detecting the errors of his work, because that is public property, if I think them worth notice. Mr. Charles Butler in his most excellent and delightful "Reminiscences" says, "It is a great satisfaction to him to reflect that none of his writ ings contain a single line of personal hostility to any one." I cannot pretend to make this boast;-I wish I could;-but I will at least take care, now that age requires repose, not to indulge without discrimination in animosities unworthy of me! SAMUEL EGERTON BRYDGES. inform him, that not only do all four descend from her lineally in blood, but that all four are entitled to quarter her arms, and that Lady Willoughby is senior coheir of the body of her youngest daughter Eleanor, Countess of Cumberland, whose only child Lady Margaret Clifford.Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby. Ferdinando, Earl of Derby. Lady Anne Stanley, eldest coheir.Grey Brydges, Lord Chandos. Margaret Brydges, only child from whom issue remains. Wm. Brownlow, esq. Alicia. Francis, Lord Lady Bute and her sisters heirs general. 1825.] Stemmata Tudorica suggested.-Croft Family. I much wish that the Stemmata Regalia Tudorica were published on the same plan as the Stemmata Chicheleiana. I am of opinion that this work might be made exclusively comprehensive. I should conceive that personal feeling, if not genealogical HE Editor of Debrett's Peerage is 485 enthusiasm, would ensure to any one disposed and qualified to undertake it a remunerating subscription, and patient liberality in the line of imparting information. Can any Correspondent tell me whether any issue exists from any of the three daughters and coheirs of Wm. Brydges, 7th Baron Chandos, who died in 1676? Thence would be clearly additional descents from the French Queen. THE RAJAH OF VANNEPLYSIA. traced the descent of four noblemen; but why he should pass over the de THE of Debrett'ainted with scendants of Anne, the eldest daugh the fact, that Ferdinando, Earl of Derby, had issue three daughters and coheirs; Anne, eldest daughter; Frances, 2d daughter; and Elizabeth. From Frances, the second daughter, Debrett's Editor, in your last Magazine, has Henry, 4th Earl of Derby. Margaret, only Ferdinando, 5th Earl of Alice, dau. of Sir Derby. ter, I cannot conceive. It is from the Anne.Grey Brydges, Lord Frances. Chandos. STEEMING correctness a most Bart. is said to have had a son Arthur, for which read Archer.-3. The same EsTriable Noject in our Peerages 2d bart, is said to have died on the un and Baronetages, the following errors in the title of Croft of Croft Castle in "DEBRETT'S BARONETAGE," ought to be noticed: 1. In the edition of 1819, Herbert, grandson of Sir Herbert the first Baronet, was made to be born and married on the self-same day, May 10, 1749; in that of 1824, the apparent double having been discovered, that date was unluckily fixed on for his birth, whereas, by reference to Gent. Mag. XIX. 236, it will be found to be that of his marriage.-The same gentleman, who was Receiver of the Charter House and father of the Rev. Sir Herbert, (5th bart.) author of the Life of Young, died at his son's at Tutbury, Staff. after a decline of some months, July 7, 1785, aged 67. (Gent. Mag. Lv. 573.)—2. Sir Archer, the 2d heard-of date, Dec. 18, 1753-4, for which read Dec. 10, 1753. (Gent. Mag. XXIII. 590.) That the genealogy of this family has always been in some obscurity, may be seen by a letter in vol. LXXVI. i. 115. Mr. URBAN, N.O. Dec. 9. AS some workmen last winter were digging for brick earth in a field situated near the creek of Milton, between that town and Sittingbourne, in the latter parish, about two hundred yards North of the London road, they discovered several human skeletons about three feet deep, lying with their feet to the East; and some pieces of iron, which appear to have been spear heads, swords, &c. The largest of these is about 14 inches long, some of * This descent being the same as that detailed by the preceding Correspondent, we' have omitted it.-EDIT. the 486 Antiquities discovered at Milton, Kent. the wood is still remaining on the handle. A thin brass plate was also found of an oblong form, the convex side engraved with a device, somewhat resembling a rose, probably an ornament for a sword-belt, or breast-plate. Soon after an urn was dug up, made of lead-coloured earth, with two small iron boxes, which contained beads of baked earth, coloured glass, amulets, glass bugles, amethyst pendants, pieces of brass wire, a buckle of copper gilt, a thin piece of silver of the size of a half-crown, stamped with irregular figures, with two holes perforated, as if to suspend it; a copper coin, the impression obliterated, and a piece of gold, probably part of a bracelet or necklace, of a circular form, chased at one end, the other showing where it was broken asunder. This was carried by the workmen to a neighbouring watchmaker and offered for sale; not satisfied with the price bid for it, they took it to a Jew at Chatham, and sold it, I have been informed, for 91.; it was doubtless very soon consigned to the crucible. It weighed three ounces. Fragments of urns of all sorts and sizes, some of a lead colour, some of a red, the larger ones of a coarse black earth, mixed with fragments of shells and sea-sand, surrounded with ashes and calcined matter, continued to be dug up daily, as well as a quantity of bones and teeth of animals. Four or five urns were taken up whole, full of ashes and burnt bones. In a brick yard, two or three fields South-east of this spot, which had been used for several years, were found at the same time a square-formed iron chest or box containing bones and ashes, which fell to pieces in the taking up, and a quantity of fragments of urns, with two nearly whole, the largest of which is of a smooth brown-coloured earth, of an uncommon shape. Although it was taken up tolerably perfect, it has been impossible to preserve it whole; its diameter is about 10 inches. One of the workmen informed me, that in sinking a well about three years ago, a little to the North-east, a great number of such fragments were dug up. Now, we may fairly conclude, that this was a burying-place to a considerable extent. Whether these remains be British, Roman, Danish, or Saxon, it may be difficult to decide. If it be thought worth while to use the arguments of Dr. Stukeley to prove them of [Dec. such high antiquity as he has laboured to establish with regard to some discoveries made near Charteris in the Isle of Ely, as described in your Magazine for March, 1766; one of the beads now discovered may help us in the conjecture, as it exactly resembles those he mentions as commonly called Snake-stones, of which an engraving is given in the plate of British Antiquities in "Camden's Britannia." Should they be supposed Danish, the supposition may be borne out with some degree of plausibility; for at the distance of a mile across the creek to the North, in the parish of Milton, are the remains of the fortress, now called Cas tle-rough, which Hastings the Danish pirate built when he came to plunder the neighbouring country in the year 893. King Alfred, some time afterwards, in order to stop these incursions of the Danes, built over against this fortification, on the opposite or eastern side of the creek, another fort, in the parish of Sittingbourne, called Bayford Castle (Hasted, Hist. of Kent). But it does not appear that the Danes remained long enough in this neighbourhood to carry on their depredations with much success, and it cannot therefore be well imagined that such extent of ground as a burying-place (for doubtless such the urns with human bones declare it to be) was used by them. It should therefore seem more likely to have been used by the Romans; at what period it cannot yet be ascertained, until more coins, and those less obliterated than what have been already dug up, be found to illustrate it. If this conjecture be admitted, might not these discoveries serve to fix the station of Durolevum of the Itinerary, which has been so long in dispute among the learned. Dr. Horseley, in his Brit. Rom. p. 425, seems inclined to place this station to the North side of the great London road to Dover, and to suppose it a short and direct excursion, the distance requiring the excursion to be made about Sittingbourne and Milton. In placing it at Sittingbourne he is followed by Talbot, Baxter, and Stukeley, and at Milton by Ward. Bp. Gibson would have it at Bapchild; likewise Camden, although he is better pleased with Lenham, and would change the name Durolevum into Durolenum for that purpose. Somner, Battely, Thorpe, and others, suppose it to have been at Newington, near which antiquities have been discovered, and prove that |