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months the amount of ten years al mean to say that no officer of the lotment.
crown should sit in that house, but Mr. Foster, denied that in the he thought the error too much on vice royalty alluded to so much the other side. There were, for inmoney had been granted in pensions. stance, the lords of the treasury, Dedacting the pensions to the Burgh who, indeed, were generally silent family, and those to Lord Frederick in the house; the secretaries of the Campbell, instead of 13,000). only treasury also : one of these gentia 4,0001. would appear to have been men he did not mean to speak of given
otherwise'than in panegyric, for his Sir J. Newport repeated his as close and accurate habits of busi. sertion, which was verified by the ness; but the other was absolutely returns of the house of commons, a mute. The lords of the admiralty, and even expressly deducting the perhaps, also ought to be excluded, pensions now mentioned, 13,0001. but to the liveliness of one of them, annually would be found to have he must pay his tribute. One perbeen granted.
son perhaps connected with the Mr. Whitbread declared it was board of controul was requisite in not his intention to enter into the the house. Of its president he could formal details of the debate. He not speak, for he was at present so was very ready to confess that Mr. full of his Irish affairs, that in fact Pitt had laid many perspicuous fi- the office was vacant. It was not nancial statements before the house, exactly conformable to Mr. Pitt's and believed it to be his object, at practice, for young men who were one period, to attain the utmost but a few years in office to take penperfection he could, in the science sions for life. In order to bring of finance. He certainly failed in the question concerning so many ofsome of his calculations, and gave ficers of the crown sitting in parlias arr instance of his prophecies in the ment, he would move as an amendyear to which he alluded, that he ment, “That a further limitation would have a fifteen years peace. should be provided to persons in While he paid every tribute to the that house holding places of trust, disinterestedness of his private life, emolument, &c." With respect to and praised the poverty in which the exclusion of the Welsh judges, he died, still he must say the war he left that open as a matter of diswas carried on with the utmost pro- cussion. digality. In the barrack depart. Mr. Perceval considered this as a ment alone the extravagance was most aristocratic principle; that it amazing. The right hon. gentleman would throw the offices of the crown had touched, indeed, but slightly into the hands of those who could, on the subject of the barrack board, from their property, very well disthat great source of public extrava- pense with their salaries. Hedeclared gance, and still less on the abuses it his intention to give his utmost of the transport board, where such opposition to the amendment. vast sums of money were so unne- Mr. Smith argued in favour of the cessarily squandered. [Mr. W. Pole amendment. said across the table, he did not Mr. Ponsonby was of opinion that believe it.] The hon. gentleman the resolution of his hon. friend was was welcome not to believe it if he most important in itself, and of the chose, but he believed it, and thought greatest moment to the constitution it was a question even whether that of the country. For his own part board ought to be allowed to exist he was inclined to the amendment at all or not. He certainly did not of his hon, friend; and if it was to be pushed to a decision, should vote cers from accepting fees or bribes. for it.
The clause went to impose a penalty Mr. Lyttleton concurred in the to the amount of three times the suggestion of his right hon. friend, sum so to be received, and also to and recommended to the committee declare the person so receiving it to defer the further consideration of incapable in future of holding any the subject until both the amend- office, civil or military, under goment, and the original resolution vernment. should be in the hands of gentlemen. This clause was agreed to, and
Lord Folkestone was ready to enter the report ordered to be received on into the discussions of the question Tuesday.-Adjourned till Tuesday. at that moment, and would vote for
Tuesday, June 6. the amendment, though he had no The SEATS IN PARLIAMENT BILL hesitation to accede to the sugges- having been recommitted, tion of putting off the discussion to Mr. Percetal rose, and said, that another occasion. He could not, he found no good reason to change however, avoid saying, that the ob- his former opinion with respect to jeet of former times had been to the propriety of anamendment which curtail the influence of the crown, he submitted to the committee on a and to prevent placemen from ha- former evening. He objected to the ving seats in that house.
mention of the word " implied" as Mr. IV hitbread, though he wished relating to the gift or grant of office, for a decision upon the subject of and thought it would be better to the amendment, had yet no objec- specify and limit the agreement as tion to put off the final discussion an express one.
. to a future day. He saw no reason The amendment was then propowhy chief judges should be made sed, and read from the chair; when peers, nor why Welsh judges should after some words from Mr. S. Stanbe allowed to become members of hope against the original clause, and that house. Neither could he ad- from Mr. C. Wynne in support of it, mit that, because a person aban- Mr. Tierney could not see why doned his profession, he should have the word “ office" should be Om a provision for life made him for mitted; what was called influence having abandoned it,
should have, as it were, a monopoly The first resolution was then read, over what might be called the comand carried without a division. petition of the monied interest. They
Nr. Il'hitbread proposed to make should consider the object of the a separate motion to the house of bill--it was to prevent the sale of his amendment on Thursday next: seats ; and therefore, in conformity when the house adjourned.
to that object, they ought to make Saturday, June 3.
it a misdemeanor in any person, how. The Speaker having attended in ever circumstanced, trafficking for the house of lords in consequence of a seat in that house in any way, for a requisition to that effect by Mr. no matter whom. He, therefore, Quarme, deputy usher of the Black should propose, as an amendment, Rod, on his return he informed the “ That all persons concerned in any house, that he had heard the royal such engagement on account of gift, assent given, by commission, to a benefit, employment, profit, or re. number of public and private bills. ward, should be incapacitated, and
In a committee on the Irish re- deprived of their voice at elections. venue regulation bill,
He wished to make provisions afSir J. Newport introduced a fecting, in the first instance the clause for preventing revenue offi- traffic itself, in the second, the pero son or persons returned; and in the press agreement must necessarily in third, the persons selling the seats; every instance be proved. which persons, for such offence, he Lord H. Petty was of the same proposed should be fined in the opinion. penalty of 5001. He objected to the Mr. Whitbread expressed a wish omission of the epithet“ implied," that the amendment should be withas applied to engagements entered drawn. into to procure seats upon the grant Mr. C. Wynne said, that if the preof offices. He wished also to pro- sent was agreed to, he should not nounce those aiding, abetting, or be surprised if there was another aassisting, in that species of traffic as mendment, proposing that all such guilty of misdemeanors.
engagements must be proved to have Mr. Perceval said that there were been written on stamp agreements. three criminal parties--that giving Mr. D. Giddy went at some length the money-that receiving the bribe in speaking to the principle of the ---and that obtaining the seat. And bill, and apologized for taking that he contended that those three were opportunity of doing so. He recapiall.that were necessary to be inclu- tulated some of his arguments upon ded, and that they actually were the same subject on a former night, included in the form already propo- and expressed again his opinion, sed. He defended the propriety of that there was at present a very geomitting the word implied, as it neral mistake respecting influence regarded any agreement where offi- and corruption. ces were to be granted. : Sir T. Turton reprobated strongly
Mr. Tierney, in reply, said, that the language of the last speaker, as he thought if the word “ implied” if there was any such thing as the was to be kept in either case, of honourable and legitimate use of ' money or of office, that it would money in the purchase of seats in bear equally hard on the man who parliament! He disapproved of the in a cold winter gave ten guineas words “ express or implied," in every to a distressed elector, though that part of the clause. gift could not be traced to any can- Mr. W. Adam contended that the vassing motives. C o mission of the word “ implied,” so · Mr. Ponsonby said that the act far as offices were concerned, would would be a perfect delusion, if the have the effect of making the act word“ implied" was not inserted ; operate as a protection, rather than because thus in no one case would as a check upon the evils sought to the engagement be express, and in be removed. every case would it be implied, and Sir J. Anstruther believed it was thus the traffic would be encouraged on his suggestion that the words in defiance of the main and avowed • express or implied," were inserted. object of the act itself. He objected He had no idea, however, that any also to the penalty of five hundred distinction was to have been made pounds beeing attached to the of- between money and office. In every fence. If they would do, or meant act against bribery, the two offences to do, their duty, they ought rather had always been esteemed the same ; to pronounce the offence itself a mis- but the omission of the word “ imdemeanor.
plied" in this case, wonld have the .: Mr. Tierney said, that the short effect of doing away the criminality
statement of his right hon. friend of bribery by means of office. · (Mr. Ponsonby) was unanswerable. Mr. Perceval said, his sole object 'If implied" was omitted, the ex- was, that the committee should not
from innocent aets come to the con- Mr. Wilberforce confessed that his clusion of an agreement where none hopes as to the bill would be very such was meant.
much disappointed, if an oath of The first part of the clause was this nature were not adopted, acthen read, and the words “ express companied by the penalty which or implied,” were omitted.
ought to follow its violation, in order • Mr. Adam was surprised at the ex- that it might be classed with the tent to which gentlemen on the other qualification oath. side would press the doctrine that Lord Milton and Mr. Canning conthe house should legislate from pre curred in objecting to the oath. cedent. All precedents being found Mr. G. Rose stated his objection ineffective, a new law was conceived to the proposition of an oath, upon indispensibly necessary, and that the ground that members would, in conception was justified by expe- such case, be called not to swear to rience. Would any man maintain a fact, but to a construction of law. that a person not only guilty of bri- Sir J. Hall expressed his disap bery, but making an oath upon the probation of such an oath. subject, should be allowed to stain Sir T. Turton, upon the principles the house by his presence
of the ablest lawyers, argued, that The Speaker was anxious for the the elected ought to be bound for success of the bill, and therefore was the purity of their conduct by as averse to the idea of carrying pu- serious obligations as the electors. nishment to an unprecedented mea- The objection could not be meant sure of severity. It was already a seriously, and he had no hesitation step beyound the statute of King in asserting, that the man who William.
could oppose the taking of such as Upon a division the numbers were oath, must have been actuated by ---For the amendment, 60 | Against cither a conviction of having, or an it, 81--Majority 21.
intention to bribe!, : Mr. Tierney pressed the necessity After some further observations of an oath. The form of oath he from Mr. Perceral, Mr. W. Smith, proposed was as follows:-- : Mr. H. Thornton, and Mr. S. Wort
"I, A. B. swear, that I have not, ley, strangers were ordered to withdirectly or indirectly, procured my draw; but no division took place. return by any bargain, contract, un- The chairman was ordered to report dertaking, preferment, or promise of progress and beg leave to sit again preferment,” &c. .
the next day. This the right hon. gentleman con
Wednesday, June 7. ceived free from any of the objections Sir F. Burdett moved for an account urged against an oath,.
of the net produce of the droits of adMr. Perceval opposed the oath. miralty, and of the crown, since the Mr. Ponsonby saw no ground in
accession of his present Majesty, and
the specific application of the same.the objections of Mr. Perceval, but Ordered. that it was too comprehensive, that Mr. Whitbread wished to know of the it applied to every possible case of Secretary of the Treasury, whether a improper contract. If the minister letter sent from the treasury, about the were sincere why did he not propose premiums paid for bills to remit the some oath ? Surely with the assis stamp duties of Scotland to England,
had been answered or not. tance of his law-officers he could
Mr. Huskisson replied in the negative. propose something effective.
Mr. Whitbread then said, there were Mr. Curwen thought the oath no less than 36 persons in the stamp most material.
office doing their duty by deputy; and that to support these 32,0001. of the
public money was yearly expended. He Mr. Wilberforce and Mr. S. Thornton trusted, however, that during the recess, gave their warm approbation to the steps would be taken to alter these motion; the latter wished it was 200,0001. things, else he would make a specific Sir J. Newport, Lord H. Petty, and motion early next session, on the subject. Mr. Barham highly approved of the pre
Mr. Huskisson said, a number of those sent proposition. serving by deputy, had been allowed to Mr. Perceval next adverted to the do so, on account of their inability to machinery invented by Dr. Cartwright bear the fatigue of business. But be- for the improvement of weaving wool, fore next session he expected those things sail-cloth, &c. &c. and stated that the would be better regulated.
prejudices at first entertained against Mr. Huskisson having moved the third the invention, had prevented him from reading of the voTE OF CREDIT BILL,- deriving any benefit from his patent.
Sir T. Turton objected in strong terms Dr. Cartwright had expended a large to any subsidies being granted to either private fortune in bringing to perfection Spain or Austria, unless we had a moral a machine, of which the public was now certainty of their success; whereas their reaping the benefit. One witness had affairs were becoming more hopeless stated that he had expended no less than
General Tarleton traced the progress 30 or 40,0001. He imagined, therefore, of the present campaign as far as it had that a grant of 10,0001. would not be yet gone; and admitted that the bulletin objected to; and moved a resolution ache had just seen was extremely favour- cordingly. able to the Austrians. He also adverted Mr. W.W. Smith approved of the grant, to the present campaign in Portugal, but which was then agreed to. considered the victories attributed lately. The next sum was 31571. for printing to Sir A. Wellesley's ariny there, as the journals; the next sum was 4,500L. scarcely deserving the name of skirmish- for the New Forest. es; and added that he thought the Mar- MrRose moved the sum of 35,0001. quis Wellesley an unfit ambassador to for erecting the buildings of the Naval the Spanish nation.
Asylum, and supporting the establishMr. Curwen dwelt with peculiar pleu- ment for the present year, sure on the accounts just received of the Sir C. Pole had many objections to success of the Austrians; and if it should this establishment, and particularly to prove a check of any importance on the the enormous salaries enjoyed by the ofprogress of Bonaparte, he would wish ficers belonging to it. the vote of credit to be six MILLIONS Mr. Rose replied, that the persons INSTEAD OF THREE! This being the first there had no larger salaries than officers reverse Bonaparte had ever sustained, holding similar situations in other insti. he (Mr. C.) hailed it as a favourable tutions. omen.
Sir J. Newport said, the auditor of Lord Castlereagh defended the late this asylum was a clergyman, holding exploits of Sir A. Wellesley, as being two valuable livings in Ireland, to neiby no means inconsiderable. As to the ther of which he paid any attention.successes of the Austrians, he agreed The house then, by voting a large sum with Mr. Curwen, but defended the of money to him, was encouraging a noncountry from being too sanguine. resident to neglect the duty of his pa
After a few words from Mr. Herbert, rishes! the bill was read a third time and passed. The resolution was agreed to.
In a committee of supply, Mr. Per- The house having gone into a commitceval moved, that 100,0001. be granted tee on Mr. Curwen's bill, and several to his Majesty, to be entrusted to the clauses having been negatived without governors of Queen Anne's bounty, for any observation, the purpose of increasing the poor livings . Mr. Perceval proposed a clause, proin England to 1501. a year each. He viding that nothing in the bill should said he would, some time next session, extend to any legal and BONA FIDE sale move an address to his Majesty, for ac- of lands, tenements, or hereditaments. counts of the poor livings in Scotland The clause being put, and read a first and Ireland.
time, Lord Milton thought no permanent Mr. W. Smith objected to it, and congood would result to the poorer clergy, Cended that to any stranger it would apequal to abolishing the plurality of livings. pear to have no connection with the ob