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was in the hamper witness asked May what he all right then.” They saw witness there in
had to say, as he was charged on suspicion of the corner at the tiine. May sat down, and
having improper possession of a subject. He had a handkerchief rubbing in his hand. Wil-
said that he had nothing at all to do with it. liams came in, and Bishop said, “ There he
It was the property of Bishop, whom he merely is; I knew he would come; I knew he was a
accompanied to get the money. Bishop said game mu'.” Bishop seemed to have been
that it was his, and that he was merely taking drinking. Bishop aud Williarns went out first.
it from St. Thomas's Hospital to King's Col. Just after Bishop came in, he said to May,
lege. Asked Bishop in the first instance what just before May went out for the haudkerchief,
he was ; he replied that he was "a b is You stiek to me, and I'li stick to you."
body snatcher." Williams said he knew uo- James Seagrave, the driver of a cabriolet
thing of it, but merely went to see the King's stated, that on the evening of the 4th he was
College. Bishop and May appeared in liquor. on the stand in the Old Bailey; had put his
May was brought in by all fours, strugeling horses' uose-bags on, and had gone to the
violently. The body was placed on the table. watering-house to get his own tea. May and
It appeared to have recently died; blood was Bishop came in at the time. Niay askeri if he
trickling from the mouth, and the teeth were wanted a job, and said that he wanted a cab.
gone. Went to the house of Mr. Mills, New- He led witness by the skirt of his coat to the
ington-causeway on the following Tuesday ; side of a cart. Nay said he wanted witness to
received from him 12 teeth. (Witness here fetch a stiff un', which witness believes meant
produced the teeth in a pasteboard box.) Went a dead boly. Wituess asked him what he
before that to Nova Scotia-gardeus. Went to would staud. He replied, “A guinea."
No. 3 therc. Found in the back room of the Tolil him that he had not finished his tea, and
ground floor a trunk (produced). Went again the horse had not eaten his corn.

May then on the 20th and made further examinations. said, “We will take tea together.” Bishop Found in the frout parlour a bairy cap covered then joined them, and they went into the with dirty liuen, not apparently by design. house to tea. A person in the room nudged Took possession of the cap, the hamper, and witness's elbow, and told him that he must the sack, (All these articles were produced. miud what he was at, as they were snatchers. The hamper appeared not more thau three feet Went out afterwards and drove to the bottom long, by two broad and two deep.)

of the rank to get out of their way; looked Hen. Lock, waiter at the Fortune-of-War, round and saw May and Bishop going up knew the prisoners. Saw the prisoners there the rank of coaches. Lest them appareutly on the Friday, with a man who was a stranger bargaining with a coachman. to witness. They stayeil till twelve o'clock, Cross-examined by Mr. Barry--Knew that and then went away. The prisoners returned it was ou Friday, because he was summoned ou about three o'clock, without the strange man. that day to Essex-street. They then stayed till about five o'clock, and Re-examined ---All the conversation was went away again till about eight o'clock on when witness and May were alone. the same evening with another man, who ap- Thos. Taverner, waterman to the coachpeared to be a coachman. The latter bad stand, saw on the ahuve day May and Bishop, something to drink, and left them. They were who came to him on the stand aud asked himu until nine o'clock in the tap-room; before the where the cab-mau was, meaning Seagrave. coachman left, one of the prisoners said he May asked the question, and witness told him had had a ride; at nine o'clock. May weut to that he was getting his tea. Fetched out the bar, and had something in a silk hand. Seagrave from the watering-house. Both the kerchief, which wituess afterwards saw to be prisoners hail smock-frocks on. It was just the teeth ; May poured water on the outside of dark in the evening. Seagrave came out and the handkerchief, and rubbed the handker- spoke to him, but wiwess did not know what chief gether; they looked like young teeth, it was. Seagrave, however, said, “I'll have and witness said that they were worth a few nothing at all to do with you," and weut iu to shillings, wheo May said that they were worth get his tea. two pounds to him ; they all left together a Edward ChandlerWas on the 4th of Noshort time afterwards.; on the next evening he vember last waiter at the King-of-Denmark, saw Bishop, Williams, and Shields, at about in the Old Bailey, which is the watering-house. eight o'clock, Bishop asked Williams what Served Bishop and May with tea at about five they should do for a hamper, and asked Shields o'clock. Saw Seagrave there ; May and Bi

and fetch one ; Shields refused, and shop liad half a pint of gin. Saw May put Bisliop thien went and got oue himself. sume gin into Bishop's tea.

He said, “ Åre Thomas Wigley-Was at the above house you going to hucus (or buri) me?" Had at about half-past seven o'clock on the 4th of known May and Bishop before. November. Bisliop and May came in and sat Cross-examined by Mr. Barry-Could not down opposite each other. They entered into say whether Seagrave had part of the gin or conversation together. Bishop said to May, nut, 6. What do you think of our new one ? Did Henry Mann, a hackney.coachman-Was, bę not go p to him well ? Wasu't be a on the 4th, on the stand in Bridge-street, game un'?” 'May replied, " I don't know Blackfriars. Koew May before then. Saw what you mean." Bishop rejoined, “ That's him that night with a strauger tu witness.


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May asked witness if he would take a fare to | anatomical theatre, Webb-street, Southwark, Bethnal-green, Witness replied that he knew all the prisoners, and saw Bishop and would not, because he knew what May was. May at the theatre on the Friday night, at

George Hissing, a hoy of about 12 years old, about half-past seven o'clock. They said that deposed that his father kept the Crabtree they had a very fresh male subject, a boy about public-house, in the Hackney-road. Saw on 14 years of age. Wituess declined purchasing the Friday a chariot draw up opposite his it. They came on the next morning, about father's house, which is near Nova Scotia. 11, and made the same offer, which was again gardens. Saw Williams standing on the fore declined. wheel of the chariot, talking with the coach- Thomas Mills, dentist, of 32, Bridgehouseman. The chariot remained 10 or 15 minutes. place, Newington-causeway, deposed, on the Saw Williams at that time coming from Nova 5th of Nov. May called on him at about nine in Scotia-gardens, in which direction he had the morning, and offered 12 human teeth, six gone : he got into the chariot. Witness saw from the upper and six from the lower jaw. a man, whom he did not know, helping Bi. He asked a guinea for the set. Witness said shop, whom he did know, ja carrying a heavy that one of them was chipped, and did not sack. It was put by Bishop, Williams, anil belong to the same set. He replied, “ Upon the other man,' into the chariot. Bishop and iny soul to God, they all belonged to the same the other man then got in, and the chariot head not long since, and the body was never drove up Crabtree-row, which leads towards buried.” Afterwards discovered that some of Shoreditch church.

the flesh and pieces of the jaw adhered to the By the Court-Could not say that the teeth, and it appeared that much force had stranger was May. He knew Bishop and been used to wrench them out. Witness said Williams, who were at his father's bouse on that they were a yonng set. He replied, “ The the day that Williams married Bishop's fact is, that they belonged to a boy 14 or 15 daughter.

years of age." Thomas Trainer corroborated thelast witness. By Mr. Curwood-He was sure that May

Ann Channel was passing the Crabtree on did not say that they looked as fresh as if they the above night. Saw three men get out of had never been buried. the chariot. They went down Nova Scotia- Augustus Brun examined, by medium of an gardens. Ope, stopped and spoke to the interpreter-I knew a boy named Carlo Fere coachman, and then ran after the others. rari, and brought him from Italy two years Did not see them afterwards. The two first ago; he was about fourteen years old, and had smoek-frocks ou, and the other had a lived with me about six week's after he came pipe in his mouth.

here. The 28th of July, 1830, was the last time Thos. Davis, porter to the dissecting-room I saw the boy alive. He then lived at Mr. in Guy's Hospital, saw Mav and Bishop about Elliott's, No. 2, Charles-street, Drury-lane. On seven o'clock on the Friday evening; May the 19th of November I saw the body of the brought in a sack, and asked him if he wanted boy in St. Paul's burial-ground, Covent-garto purchase a subject. Witness replied that he den, and I believe it to be the body of that did not, and they then asked him to let it boy; the size and the hair were similar, but remain till next morning. It was consequently the face was disfigured. locked up there during nigbt. Saw them the Cross-examined if I had known nothing next morning in the hospital, at about eleven about this occurrence, and had seen the body, o'clock. Left the hospital and found on his I should be of opiniou he was

my own." return the sack, which appeared to contain a By Mr. Justice Littledale-He was in his dead body. Saw a portion of a small foot 15th year. I have not seen him for fifteen protruding through a hole of the sack; it months. He might have grown a little in that appeared like that of a youth or a woman. It time, but not much. did not appear large enough for a mau's foot. By Mr. Curwood-At first sight, if anybody Could not swear to the sack produced. It was had asked me who the body was, the face was such a ore.

so disfigured I could not tell. Cross-examined by Mr. Curwood --Had Joseph Paragalli sworn-I get a living hy formerly known May aud Bishop, but had playing an organ and pipes in the street. I never seen Williams at that time.

knew Carlo Ferrari, and used to see him every James Weeks, assistant to the last witness, day in Charles-street, Drury-lane. His sister deposed to having given up the sack to them; lived in Scotland, and died there. He came he also saw a hole in the sack, and saw a foot to London on the 22d of May, 1830, and I or a knee projecting through it; the sack was have kuown him all that time; I last saw very like the one produced; when they took it him alive in the Quadrant, Regent-street, at away Williams and Shields were with May two o'clock on a Saturday, four weeks before and Bishop ; delivered the sack to them in the I saw his body at the station-house. When I same state as when he received it; May and saw him in the Quadraut he had a little cage Bishop had each requested bim not to allow round his neck, with two white mice in it. He either of them to have it without the other; was in the habit of wearing a cap, but I cannot they took it away in a hamper similar to that say whether it was of cloth, leather, or skin. produced.

The leather shade of the cap produced was of James Appleton, curator of Mr. Grainger's foreign manufacture.

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Mary Paragalli, wife of the preceding wit. he was taken into custody. I have often seen ness, stated, that on Tuesday, November 1, Bishop there. I let the house No. 2 last July she saw the deceased in Oxford-street, near to the prisoner Williams, who then went by Hanover-square. He had a cage like a squirrel. the name of Head. Williams occupied it six cage, and two white mice in it. She did not or seven weeks, and it was afterwards occiispeak to him. He wore a cap, but she could pied by a person named Woodcock. It was a not tell what sort of one it was. She had seen few weeks empty. There are gardens hehind the body of that boy at the station house in the houses, and low fences between, but there Covent-garden.

is a communication from No. I and No. 2 to Andrew Colla, of No. 4, Great Saffron-hill, No. 3, because there was a well for the use birdcage-maker-I knew the deceased boy, by of the whole in Bishop's house. There is a seeing him in the streets, and saw bim lately privy at the bottom of Bishop's garden. I have in Oxford-street. I have seen the body at the seen, Williams several times at No. 3, after he station house, and believe it to be the body left No. 2. I have also seen Williams's wife of the boy I have seen in the streets.

When I there. saw him in Oxford-street, he had white mice William Woodcock, a hoy, stated that be in a cage, and a tortoise. The cap produced lived with his faiber, at No. 2, Nova Scotia. was similar to that which he wore. He also gardens, next door to Bishop's house; he knew wore a blue coat and grey trousers with a Williams, and had seen him there ten times, large patch on the left knee of the latter. and had also seeu Williams's wife washing in

(The trousers, which had been dug up in Bishop's house-saw Williams there two or Bishop's garden, were bere produced.) three days before Guy Fawkes-day, walking

The witness examined them, and stated he in the garden smoking a pipe. helieved them to be the same as those the de- Abraham Keymer, landlord of the Feathers, ceased had worn, and he pointed out the patch Castle-street, Bethnal-green, sworn-On the in the knee of thein.

night of Thursday, the 3d of November, BiJohn King, a boy, sworn-I shall be ten shop, and he believed Williams alsu, came to years old next Christmas. I go to chapel, and my house. It was near 12 o'clock. My house know the consequences of telling a lie. I live is about 200 yards from Nova Scotia-gardens. at No. 3, Crabtree-road, facing the Bird-caye They had a quartern of rum and half a gallon public-house, and near Nova Scotia-gardens. of beer, and I lent them a can to carry ito I remember one day when my mother washed, The can produced was that which he lent seeing a boy near Nova-Scotia gardens. I he-them. lieve it was the Thursday before Guy Fawkes Wm. Woodcock sworn-I went to reside day. I was looking out of the window, and at No. 2, Nova Scotia-gardens on the 17th the boy had something, but my mother would October, vext door to Bishop. Williams, I not let me go to see what it was. I believe it have reason to believe, also lived with Bishop. was a little cage that he had, and it was slung I lived in No. 2, until after the prisoners were from bis neck hy a string. He was standing apprehended. I know Williams, but did not still. He had a brown car, with the leaf or know Bishop until I saw him at Bow-street. shade lined with green, exactly like this cap The first Sunday' I lived there l' was 'digging (the one produced). I was lowking at him for in my garden, when Williams told him to dig a few minutes.

in a certain spot, where he would find some Cross-examined— It was the first floor win-lilies. Ou Thursday, the 3d of November, I dow from which I saw him, yet I could see went to bed about half-past nive o'clock. Io the lining of his cap shade.

the course of the nighi, probably about four Martha King, the sister to the last witness, hours and a half after I had gone to bed, I aged eleven years, sworu-Ou the Wednesday was awakened by hearin's footsteps, which I or Thursday before Guy Fawkes-day she saw thought were at the back of my premises, bus the Italian boy, as described by her brother. I distinctly heard three men's footsteps in the He was not one minute's walk from Bishop's parlour of No.3 (Bishop's house). I remained house, and she had never seen him sincs. in bed and leard a scuffle, which lasted for

Jobu Randall, a labourer, sworu-I live near one or two minutes, at the furthest, and all · Nova Scotia-gardens. On Thursday morning, was silent. The scuffling was 'iu the same November 3, I saw the Italian boy, about nive room in which I heard the footsteps.' Afteror ten o'clock, near Nova Scotia-gardens. He wards I heard Bishop's side door open, and was standing under the wiudow of ihe Bird-cage also heard the foutsteps of two men. There public-house, and had a box or cage, with two is a side door to Bishop's house. The persons white mice. He had on a blue coarse jacket, after leaving Bishop's house, I heard `come a brown fur cap, but I did not notice his round to the front, and pass by my house. trousers. The cap and jacket were similar to After they were gone, I heard the footstep of those produced.

one person in the house. When those two Sarah Trueby, wife of John Truehy, sworn. persons returned to the house, I distinctly -My husband is landlord of Nos. 1, 2, and 3, heard the voices of three persons, one of which Nova Scotia.garders, and I have been in the I kuew to be that of Williams. After that all habit of letting the houses, and receiving the became still again, and I went to rest. rents. I let No. 3 to Bishop's wife in Juve, Cross-examined I believe the wall between 1830. Bishop and his wife resided there uutil the two houses is but fuur inches thick. The

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struggle that I heard I considered at the time I ventagarden, detailed the voluntary declara: to be a family quarrel.

tion made by Bishop, that he got the body By Mr. Justice Littledale-Not more than from a grave; but the reasou of uot telling a minute and a half elapsed from the tinie of where the grave was, was (in account of two the two men leaving till their returu.

watchmen who knew of it, and had large faini. Hannah Woodcock, wife of the last wituess, lies. May, he said, also made a declaration sworn-She stated that Bishop, his wife, and it was read, and stated that he had been to family, and Williams and his wife, occupied the country, and brought home two subjects, No. 3, Nova Scotia-gardens,

which he took to Mr. Grainger's, and from Joseph Higgins, a new-police coustable, thence to Guy's Hospital. He also related the sworn-Ou the 9th of November, in conse: public-house at which he had been, and of quence of some instructions, I went to No. 3, his meeting with Bishop aud May ; tbat Bishop Nova Scotia-gardens; and on searching it, told him he had got a good subject, which I found two cruoked chisels, a brau-awl, and he was offered. eight guineas fur, and if he, a file. There appeared to be blood on the May, cou.d sell it, he should have all above brad-awl, which at that time looked fresh. I nine guineas for himself. This he agreed to ; searched May's premises, Ny. 4, Dorset-street, and his account of the subsequent transactions New Kent-road, on the Ilth, and found a pair was similar to that in the early part of the of breeches, which had marks of blood on the evidence). The wituess next read Williams's back part, which appeared to be fresh. There statement. was also a waistcoat with marks of clay on it. Mr. Wm. Burnaby, clerk' of Bow-street On the 19th, I went again to Bishop's house Police-office sworn.- When the brad-awl was with James Wadey.

produced at Bow-street, May said, “ That is Mr. Mills, the dentist, was recalled, and the instrument with which I pouched the teeth examined by Chief Justice Tindal-The teeth out." had been forced out: should thiuk the brad. John Kirkham, police-constable, stated, that awl now. produced would afford great facility when the inquest was sitting he had charge of in forcing out the teeth.

the prisoners in the station-house; ; behind The evidence of Higgins was then continued where they sat there was a printed bill posted - When we went to Bishop's, house on the referring io the murder ; Bishop looked at 19th, we searched the garden behind the the bill, and then, Jeaned over Williams tò house. We first attempted it with an irva rod, speak to May; he said to May, “it was the but finding something impeding it, I desired blood that sold us.” Bishop then got up, and Wadey to dig, and a jacket, trousers, and looked a second time at the bill, and referring small shirt, found ; that was about five yards to the words “marks of violence,” he said. from the back door. In another part we dug those marks were only breakings-out in the up a blue coat, a pair of trousers' with the skin. braces attached to them, a striped waistcoat, Mr. Thomas, the superintendent, was rewhich appeared to be a man's, and taken in called by Mr. Bodkin- When I first saw the for a boy, with marks of blood on the collar body there were patches of dirt un several and shoulder, and a shirt that was turn up. parts. There were also marks on the left arı the frout: (The witness here produced all those as though they were the impression of fingers, things.). The clothes are those which would and it appeared to me as if the chest had been be useful to boys like the deceased. There pressed in. There was a streain of bloud from were ashes over the place where the clothes the forehead down the face to the breast. had been buried.

Mr. Adolphus stated that this was the case James Wadey, also a constable, corroborated for the prosecutivu. the last witness's testimony.

Mr. Davies was recalled, and stated that he Edward Ward, a little boy, six and a half had the day before purchased two budies of years old, was next examined-My father lives the prisoner May. in Nova Scotia-gardens.' I remember last Guy The prisouers having then been severally Fawkes-day, at which time I was in the habit called upou for their of going to school. I remeniber iny mother

DEFENCE, giving ine a half holiday, but I don't know Bishop stated that he was 33 years old, and on what day it was. I went to Bishop's house. had a wife and three childreu. He was for, Bishop has three children, two of them boys. Ierly a carrier at Highgate, but for the last On that day I saw the childreu in the house, twelve years he had obtained a living by supand they showed me a cage with two little plying the various Hospitals aud Auatomical wbite mice ; the cage turned round. I had Schools with dead bodies, but he declared that often played with Bishop's children before, but he never was in any inanner concerned in never saw thein with a cage of white mice improperly obtaining subjects. He had been before that.

in the habit of getting bodies from workJohn Ward, an elder brother of the preced- houses, and sometimes with the cluthes' reiug witness, stated that what his brother had maining on them. All the gardens about just related took place ou Friday, 4th Novein- Nova Scotia-gardens were easy of access, aud ber. His brother on that day told him what were only divided by a low, dwarf railing. As be had seen.

to the wearing-apparel found in the garden, Mr. Corder, vestry-clerk of St. Paul's, Co- he kuew nothing ; but, regarding the cap, he

said he should prove that his wife purchased it | said at Bow-street. The blood on the breeches of Mrs. Doddeswell, who kept a sale-shop in found at May's residence was not perfectly dry Hoxton Old Town. As respected the prisoners when they were found. Willians and May, they kuew nothing of the Mr. Edward Wm. Duosen, a surgeon, stated manner in which he got the body, and he des that he had been subpænsed by the prisoners, clared that he only got it iu the way by which but he was not aware that he could state any. subjects were usually obtained.

thing. The prisoners' counsel declined to Williams alleged that he knew nothing of examine bim. the means by which the body was procured by After this, the Chief Justice summed up the Bishop, who invited him to go to the King's evidence. The Jury retired to consider of College. He, Williams, was not in the habit their verdict at eight o'clock, and returned of dealing with subjects, but got his living by into Court at half-past eight. working as a glass-blower.

They returned a verdict of Guilty against May said he was formerly a butcher, but for all the prisoners. the last six years had followed the trade of Within a minute after the verdict being dealing in subjects and supplying thein to pronounced, it was communicated to the mul hospitals. On the day when he ineč Bishop at titude outside that had assembled to the numthe Fortune-of-War public-bouse,it was merely ber of several thousands, and they for some by accident, when Bishop asked him where he minntes interrupted the business of the Court could sell a good subject, stating that he had by their loud cheering and huzzas. been offered eight guineas for it. He (May) told him, as was the fact, that he had sold two to Mr. Davies, at ten guineas each, the day before, and he would try if Mr. Davies would

MR. DRUMMOND AND buy that one. Bishop told him he should have all above nine guineas for himself, and

LORD GREY. then he agreed to endeavour to sell it. He assured the Jury that he never asked, and, of ON THE SUBJECT OF REFORM. course, he never knew how Bishop got possession of the hody.

A LETTER, published by the former Rosina Carpenter stated that she lived in of these gentlemen, in the shufiling and Nag's Head court, Golden-lane. On Thurs- bloody old Times newspaper, last week, day, Nov. 3, between four and five o'clock in has attracted a good deal of public atthe afternoon, May came to her house, and remained with her till nearly twelve o'clock tention; has produced a sort of challenge the next day, not once going out du

that from Lord Grey; and has drawn a long time.

conimentary from the Morning ChroCross-examined-May has several times nicle. The letter arose in this way: passed his nights with her; she did not know Mr. Drummond was, it seems, at a whether he was married or not.

Sarah Trinsley, who was examined for the meeting of bankers and others, who prosecution, was called hy Mc. Barry. She differed upon the question of reform; had never seen any wbite mice iu Bishop's and who met for the purpose of coming house.

Mary Doddeswell, wife of George Doddes-to a compromise, if they could, as a well, of 56, Huxton Old Town, sworu-I keep sort of prelude perhaps to a sort of a clothes and sale shop for the second-hand compromise between the hostile factions goods. My husband is a journeyman pastry- in the state. Some person, under the evok. I know Bishop's wife, and sold her a signature of A. B., atiаcked Mr. Drumnow; it was a cloth cap with a black front, mond, in the bloody Times, for his con(the cap produced for the prosecution was a duct at this meeting ; Mr. Drummond, fur cap).

in his own name, sent his answer to the Bishop-My wife purchased two caps of her. Mrs. Doddeswell — 1 vever sold but one cap insert Mr. Druirmond's letter, and

same sanguinary vehicle. I will first to Mrs. Bishop. I know nothing of Bishop or his family, but that his daughter lived servant then the correspondence between him with me twelve months ago.

and the irritated Lord Grey; after Mary Anne Hall, of No 4, Dorset-street, which I will insert the sour commentary New Kent-road, where May lived, stated that on the 30th October, May went into the coun

of the Chronicle upon Mr. Drummond's try, and I saw no more of him until the fol- letter, and will make my reniarks upon lowing Wednesday night, and then he went to that, passage by passage, as I proceed. hed. The next morning he went out, and did First, then, let us take Mr. Drummond's not return until the Friday night at half-past letter, which, slightingly as the Chrom 11 o'clock.

Mr. Thomas stood up, and addressing the nicle speaks of it, is worthy of a good Court, said he wished to repeat what he had deal of attention.

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