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a law was passed imposing restrictions on the I shall always be ready to second your magistrates; but, by a strange inattention to efforts, and I have only to add, that should you the purport of the Act of William and Mary, meet with any interference from without the its language was changed and its intentiou district, I desire you will instantly apply to defeated. Instead of the justice, as before, me.
I am, Gentlemen, authorizing the overseers to grant relief, by
Your faithful servant the Act of George the First he ordered them,
and sincere well-wisher, and thus the spirit of the law was for the first
THOMAS WALKER. time abandoned. In the year 1796, during Police-office, Lambeth-strcet, the French revolutionary war, when sound 12th July, 1831. principles of legislation were made to give
ANSWER. way to the extraordinary exigencies of the SIR,-Having read in the newspaper your times, the power of ordering relief by magis aduress to us, whom you denominate the trates was greatly extended; but in 1819, after Guardians of the Poor, I beg, through the the re-establishinent of peace, and when the same channel, to convey to you my thanks for evils of the system had become but too ap- your advice and attention, and at the same parent, Mr. Sturges Bourne's Select Vestry time to point out where I think there are some Acı made a considerable advance towards the defects in your system, which I hope you will restoration of the original principle of the law, see, and will remedy, which is, that those who raise the fund shall, You state, “ Much advantage has been the by their own officers or by themselves, have result of your system.” Now, Sir, I should the sole control of it. It is for you, now, to like to know what you mean by advantage ? put that principle completely in practice. By In our hamlet, which has a population of your local Acts you are well organized for the 34,000, we have an increase of pauperism, purpose. I know your intelligence, respecta- have paid to our out-door poor 7001. more this bility, and practical knowledge. From seve-year than last. Do you call that an advanral of your parishes there is already seldom tage? an applicant at the office ; and in no case can
if the other hamlets and parishes in your I call to mind that my interference has ever district have decreased in pauperism by your been really necessary ; indeed, all that I have system, why is it that ours has not? I will done has heen only to uphold and assist you. tell you why it is. In these other places I find You will, I am sure, henceforth act with still that the iubabitants select their own overseers; more effect when you feel that you have the but in our place, you, the magistrates, select whole responsibility upon yourselves, and it and appoint those whom we do not approve will be better for the poor that they should of; and here you may find the reason why know that they have only you to look to. It pauperism increases. Do you call this an adwill be the surest means of repressing those vantage? Surely you will see that such interunsettled pauper habits, which are inevitably ference is injurious to our interest, and destroys productive of vice and misery, and which your own system. For you next tell us, “That habits it was the especial object of the Act of the law is, that those who raise the fund shall, Elizabeth effectually to cure.
by their own officers or by themselves, have From the 1st of August, then, no ápplica- the sole control of it. And it is for us now to tion for relief will be received at the office put that principle completely in practice." under any pretence whatever. From you How can we put this principle completely in there will be no appeal. You will therefore practice, when you,' in conjunction with ano. be prepared (if you think any further pre- ther or two, prevent us from choosing our own paration necessary), to give adequate atten- officers ? You tell us the “law says we shall,” tion to every case-at the same time lessly and you break the law; you recommend the keeping in view a steady enforcement of those principle, but you prevent the practice! habits of self-dependence, which are essential Again, you say,
from the 1st of August to the well-being of every individual, as well no application for relief will be received at the as to that of the community at large. I have office under any pretence whatever. From only one thing to recommend to you, and that the overseers there will be no appeal.” This is, that you constantly impress upon your sub- is giving arbitrary power over the poor, leavordinate officers, buth by precept and example, ing them without any means of redress of the vast importance of temper and forbearance. wrongs. A distressed man, or a distressed The poorest, you know, are generally the woman, may give some offence to an overseer proudest and most wayward, and aggravating -may be what is called saucy, or some dislike language, as it is called, or unnecessary force, may arise from various causes; besides, the have peculiarly bad effects upon paupers, who overseer may be passionate, one who will are rendered far more clamorous and perse- not hear reason-he may be obstinate, vering from spite than by their wants. It has haughty, or unfeeling; and from such a been by due attention to this consideration character (and there are many such) there is that all the predictions of unpleasant conse to be no appeal-then what justice or what quences from my undeviating-strictness have relief could a poor creature get? proved utterly untrue, and if you pursue the Nay, I don't even think you are right in same course you cannot fail to go on smoothly your first practice; that is, "in limiting their and beneficially.
appeals to two days in each week.” You will
bear in mind this is not like settling any dis- people of the county, and the people of puted right of property, or any other matter the whole country, and the Whig Minissequence, not fatal. This is a matter of sub-try also I will place in their true light. sistence, therefore it requires in many cases an
Hitherto it has been rather the private immediate attention and prompt relief. Who affair of Mr. and Mrs. Deacle. It is could go two days without food ?-and if none now become the affair of the whole nacould be got from the overseer, and no appeal tion. And the whole nation will see to the magistrateş only once in three days, by the necessity of pouring in petitions what fair means couldia person get any-thing to live on for that time? To beg--the law upon petitions, repeated over and over would commit them to the House of Correc- again from the same places, and, from tion; to steal--it would send them to prison ; large places, two or three petitions at a yet they must do one or the other so that your system might lessen paupers, but it time, until we obtain security for our would increase thieves !
persons against Acts such as have been Yours, &c.,
alleged against these Hampshire magisTrios. SINGLE,
trates, whom I have well known for Churchwarden of Nile-end. five and twenty years, and who shall
now know me, as I always told them
they should. Read, I pray you, Mr. THE BARINGS
Harvey's speech, with the greatest attention. He has hit the right nail upon
the head. He sees what ought to be the MR. AND MRS. DEACLE.
subject of inquiry; and let those who Well, then, the Committee, after all are interested in preventing that inquiry the pretended wish to have it, has been hug themselves in the hope of smotherrefused. The subject was brought be- ing it as long as they please : all the fore the House of Commons on Tuesday combined powers of hell itself will not night last. I shall here insert, from the be able to prevent that inquiry. Morning Chronicle, the report of what took place. But the reader will observe that this is not a quarter part, nor
MR. AND MRS. DEACLE. a tenth part, of what took place; that Mr. Paulett MILDMAY said he had a petithe debate lasted for four hours and a tion to present upon this subject, signed by a half. The reporters have put in just Winchester and its neighbourhood. The pewhat part they pleased. Almost the titioners were not bound to Mr. Bingham 'whole of what Mr. O'CONNELL said and Baring by any political ties, nor were they at of what Mr. Harvey said is suppressed; been opposed to him at the last election. The
all under his influence, many of them having but there is enough of both left to stick petitioners prayed for an investigation into the
to the parties for the rest of their lives. circumstances of this case, and they declared When I have inserted the report, I shall their belief that Mr. Bingham Baring was make some observations upon it, always guiltless of the things that had been laid to considering it as a mere publication, the course of 48 hours (Sunday intervening)
his charge. The petition had been signed, in and not as any thing which has been by no less than 360 persons, who expressed their said by any Member of the House of gratitude to the Magistrates, whose decision Commons. I beg the reader to go of conduct had last winter relieved them from through every part of it with great at-tbat were at that time committed. They ex
the continuance of those dreadful disorders tention ; I shall not have time to add pressed their earnest wish that one of these much to it in the way of remark at pre- Magistrates should be cleared from those uo. sent; but about the same time that this founded calumnies that had been directed Register will be published, the Two- against him. People were now ready enough penny Trash, for October, will be pub- once been agitated, and he knew that it was lished, and in that I shall, in an address not very fattering to their pride to remind to the people of Hampshire in particu- them of those feelings and of the fears that Jar, enter into a complete analysis of then agitated them, but he felt it his duty to
remind them of these things. He called on this affair. I will there place the them to remember the taunts that were then BARings in their true light before the directed against the Magistracy for supineDess-to remember that his Majesty had called other Magistrates of this county,' to whose on them to display energy, decision, and re- active, judicious, and unwearied exertions, solution--and that his Majesty's Ministers your petitioners conceive they are, in a great had appealed to them to perforin their duty, ineasure, indebted for the restoration of the and threatened them, that if they dil vot, public peace in November last, a period when they must expect to incur his Majesty's dis- this county was in a state of unparalleled expleasure. The Magistrates bad doue their citement and too well-grounded alarm, and duty. They had interfered effectually, but when, it should be remembered, it was in altheir services were now forgotten. The Judges most every instance found impracticable to who went on the Special Commission praised procure the due execution of the Magistrates', them for their conduct. Even prayers were warrants without the aid of military. offered up, thanking providence for the inter- " That several of your petitioners were ference which had saved the people at that present at the trial which took place in this time. He presented this petiljou because he city at the last Assizes, and witnessed with was anxious, with the petitioners, to relieve a unfeigned regret the situation in which the sensitive and manly mind from that state of Messrs. Baring were mnavoidably placeil, ia suspense which every honourable man must consequence of the only individuals of whose feel to be most painful.
testimony they could have availed themselves The petition was then read. The following having been made co-defendants, obviously, as is a copy :
appeared to your petitioners, for the sole pur“To the honourable the Commons of the pose of excluding their evidence, and exposing
United Kingdom of Great Britain and the Messrs. Baring to the overcharged state.
Ireland in Parliament assembled ; ments of the two individuals, ou whose evi. " The humble petition of the undersigned dence a verdict was returned against Mr
inhabitant householders of the city and Bingham Baring alone.
satisfaction a proceeding so well calculated to “Showeth-That your petitioners have elicit the truth, and to place the characters of read with feelings of indignation the allega- the several parties in their proper light. And tions which are contained in the petition your petitioners desire further to express their presented to your honourable House on the convictio:, that a full exposure of the real cir224 of August last by Thomas and Caroline cumstances of the case would render the same Deacle, of Marwell Farin, in the viciuity of feelings which exist in this city and its vicivity, this city:
aj to the conduct of the Messrs. Baring, ge“That the statements made in the said pe- nerally prevalent throughout the country at tition appear to your petitioners to cootain large. such gross misrepresentations, as to render it “And your petitioners will ever pray.” necessary for your petitioners to express to your honourable House the opinion which is Colonel Evans said he had to present a Peentertained in this city and neighbourhool tition with the same prayer ; but declaring a relative to the conduct of the individuals very, different opinion on the subject. He against whom such injurious statements have would only now observe, that as indulgence been thus artfully and inaliciously sent furih. was asked to be shown to the conduct of the
" That your petitioners have noticed with magistrates, ou accouut of the excitement that deep regret the petitions which have recently existed in November last, he thought an equal been presented to your honourable House degree of indulgence ought to be shown to the from distant parts of the country on behalf of poor people who had engaged in these riots, the said Thomas and Caroline Deacle; nut on on account of the severe distress that drove account of the inquiry which is sought by such them to commit these offences. petitions, but because your petitioners feel Mr. Hume only wished to say that he convinced that they have been sent up to your seemed to have been guilty of some injustice honourable House under the erroneous im- to the persons whose p-tition he had presented pressions which the statements contained in when he did not have that read, and yet, when the petitions of the said Thomas and Caroline he suffered the petition just now presented to Deacle were evidently intended to produce in be read to the House, he must say, that that remote parts of the country, where the real reading, and the statement of its contents, facts of the case are unkuown, and where the were against the understanding that there characters of the several parties are not July should be no discussion previous to that upon appreciated.
the appointment of a Comınittee. He would ". That your petitioners take the earliest only add, that the petition be presented was opportunity of recording their opinion, and signed by 246 persons in six hours. expressing to your houvurable House the very Mr. P. MILDMAY denied that he had made strong feelings which prevail in this city and a statement of tue case on this occasion. neighbourhood as to the calumnies which have Mr. BARING adınitted that it had beea beeu thus industriously propagated against agreed there should be no discussion, but Messrs. Fraucis and Bingham Baring, and there was no agreement that the petitions
presented should not be read at length. The | this subject the character of the persons con-
should be done to the parties concerned. The allude and he did not wish to do so, a; the
Mr. BARING, with respect to what had been Mr. Hume said he was not bound to answer said as to the signatures of the farmers and of for the condition of the life of the persons who gentlemen, wished to observe, that the petition signed the petition : he believed them to be presented by the hon. Member for Winchester respectable.
had been shown to the farmers assembled there, Col. Evans said, that if the statement of the at a dinner on the market-day, and that they hon. Meinber fur Thetford was correct, it signed it without an exception. only showed that the farmers signed the peti- Mr. Hunt presented a petition from “ The tion in favour of their brother-farmers, while undersigned on behalf of the North-western tkié gentry and clergy signed that which was branch of the Metropolitan Union, assembled in favour of the man in a superior class of at a Meeting at the Bazaar Coffee-house, life.
Castle-street, Oxford-street.” It was upon Sir T. BARING asserted that the petition in the same subject as the other petitions, and favour of Mr. Bingham Baring was signed by prayed for an investigation. persons of all classes.
An objection was taken, that as the petition Sir C. WETHERELL thought that the gallant was only signed by certain persons, it must Colonel had been guilty of an injustice in the be'taken as i heir petition, and not as that of a aspersion he thus levelled at the petitioners, body on whose behalf it appeared to be signed; whose petition had just been presented, and and it was further objected, that as the persons many of whom he (Sir C. Wetherell) knew to signing it did not appear to be members of the be nien incapable of being guided by any feel. body, or to have been present at the meeting, ing of the kind, and to be only desirous of for- it could not be received at all. 'warding the objects of truth and justice. He Mr. Hunt at first expressed his determina. hoped the gallant Colonel would withdraw his tion to leave the petition in the hands of the observation.
House, but after a few remarks from Sir R., Col. Evans could not withdraw the observa- Peel, Mr. James, Mr. Strickland, Mr. Knight, tion, for he had not made any that cast an Mr. Estcourt, and Mr. O'Connell, he agreed to imputation on any one. He only thought it withdraw it. probable that persons of each class were likely Mr. Hume presented two petitions for into feel a favourable bias towards those of quiry into the case of the Deacles, from High their own class.
Wycombe and Lowth. Col. TRENCH asserted that this was only a Mr. O'CONNELL mentioned that he had repetition of the imputation to which his hon. received a letter from Mr. and Mrs. Deacle, and learned Friend objected. The petition suggesting that the ends of justice would be presented on behalf of the Deacles was weil beiter obtained if the motion of the hou, and drawn up, drawn by a clever and skilful hand, gallant Member (Col. Evans) for a committee and calculated to raise a great prejudice were postponed until Thursday. against the magistrate whose conduct was in Colonel Evans professed himself ready, as question. He hoped that in the inquiry upon an individual, to consent to the postponement.
Mr. J. Campbell objected, on the ground England. (Hear, and laughter.) No man that it would injure the cause of the parties had been more accused thau himself, and be accused.
could therefore bear such charges now with Lord ALTHORP took the same view and equanimity, and even with good humour. He. adverted to the situation of pain and difficulty recommended the hon. and gallaut Member in which he felt himself placed by the intended not to bring forward his motion this evening. motion for inquiry.
Colonel EVANS said, that'uuder all the cirMr. J. CAMPBELL added, that the accusing cumstances, he could not refuse to move at parties had already had ample time.
once for the appointment of a Committee. Mr. O'Connell suggested that it did not (Cheers.) The word “conspiracy'' had been depend upon the will of the House, but merely bandied about most uuwarrantably, and he upon the wish of the hon. and gallant Member held it nothing less than an insult to suppose whether the intended motion should be de. that he or others had been concerned in getferred. It was a question of great importance ting up petitions on this subject. (Hear, hear.) whether it was to be permitted that English He knew nothing of the case but from the Magistrates should with inipunity conduct public prints, and he had purposely kept clear themselves in a manner similar to the mode of all ex parte information. He had grounded in which Irish Magistrates were accustomed the steps he had taken in Parliament upon the
facts as they appeared at the trial, and upon Mr. A. BARING observed, that whatever the contents of the letter of Mr. Bingham might be the opinion of the honourable and Baring, which had not been proved, and learned Member regarding the Magistracy of which were in opposition to the evidence of the Ireland, it would be doing the grossest injustice witnesses upon vath. He would not now go to defer longer the proposed inquiry. He was iu detail through the facts, which were well perfectly satisfied in his own mind that there known, but he thought that enough had transdid exist a couspiracy to oppress individuals pired to induce the House to think that further with the utmost cruelty, and he was sorry to inquiry was necessary for the assertion of its see the hon. and learned Member becoming own privileges, as well as for the vindication the tool of that conspiracy. In this respect he of the Magistracy. Herested his motion upon was at the mercy of the bon. and learned the investigation into what bad been called Member, or of any other Gentleman who the Manchester massacre, and into the case cbose to bring forward charges, and to sup- of Mr. Kenrick, a Magistrate of Surrey, and port them by petitions from the dregs of any a Welsh Judge. He concluded by moving for
He hoped that the hon. and gallant a Select Committee to inquire into the allegamember (Colonel Evans) would not defer the tions contained in the petition of Mr. and motion for a committee to inquire into the Mrs. Deacle, respecting the conduct of certain facts, under the pretence that new documents Magistrates in Hampshire. were to be produced, but in fact merely for Mr. LEFEVRE (we understood) thought that the purpose of keeping up the prevailing ex- the minds of the public would never be satiscitement.
fied until the charges of the petitioners against 'Mr. O'CONNELL rose with obvious heal. his honourable Friends should have been inHe had never in his life, he said, been assailed vestigated by a Committee of that House. It in a more brutal manner. (Cries of “ Order, was impossible that the conduct of those order!” and “ Chair, Chair.")
Magistrates could be justified otherwise than Sir R. IngLis called upon the Speaker to by showing what was the state of the country decide whether it was at all consistent with at the time of transactions respecting which the usage of Parliament that one Member the petitioners complained. (Hear.) He adshould charge another with having assailed initted that there was one part of the conduct him in a brutal manner? (Hear, hear.) attributed to his honourable Friends, which
Mr. O'CONNELL admitted at once that he nothing could justify but resistance on the part had used a hasty and an indecorous expres of the persons arrested. He meant the handsion; he regretted it, and withdrew it; but cuffing of Mrs. Deacle. But, after a careful cousidering the sort of charge brought against examination of all the conflicting testingny him, it was not extraordinary that he should that had been brought forward on the subject, feel warmly. He did not identisy himself it was bis entire conviction that that proceedwith any of the parties ; but he saw Govern- ing was the act of the constable himself, withment and wealth arrayed on one side against out any instructions or authority from Mr. the innocent and oppressed; and whatever Francis or Mr. Bingham Baring. (Hear, might be the result of the motion for inquiry, hear.) Upon the whole, he thought that the he told the people of England that the matier public had dealt unfairly with his honourable should be investigated; the hypocritical pre- Friends, in giving to Mr. and Mrs. Deacle the tence of courting inquiry on one hand, and benefit of their acquittal at the Assizes, and crushing it on the other should not succeed. refusing to allow to Mr. Francis Baring the Hitherto the Deacles had not possessed a benefit of his actual acquittal, in the action zealous advocate, but now they had one who for damages, or 10 Mr. B. Baring the benefit would take care that justice was done them. of his virtual acquittal, for such the verdict of As to conspiracy, he had had enough to do with merely nominal damages must be considered. Irish conspiracies not to meddle with those of|(Hear.) He thought, that under all the cir.