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would now vote for the resolution had already be most unfortunate if his Majesty had no proved their approbatiou of the principle of other alternative to pass the bill but to create reform ; and he must consider it quite unne- a gumber of Peers. He said that every other cessary that those should again agitate the measure ought to be adopted in preference to subject who had expressed their opinions by that, and that such an alternative should be voting against the second reading of the bill. only had recourse to if all other means failed; The object should rather be, to place the sub- he was anxious that the House sbould not ject at rest; and be did not think the agitation despair, and thought that there was yet time was likely to be calmed by again renewing to avoid the difficulty by meeting the Peers the discussion. It would be mure meet, un- half-way. (Hear, hear.) But if he entertained der the present circumstances, to use the lao- any hope of that, was his course wise? Why, guage of wise moderation. The great majority the resolution: be proposed cut off all hope for of the House had no occasion to prove, by the ever of moving one step toward reconciliation. present resolution, their attachment to reform; The honourable Gentleman has a strange and they would best support the constitution, policy, for while he recomiends the House and best secure their own view of being very to go half-way, he recommends it steadily to moderate, and calming the excited feelivgs of adhere to the bill. (Cheers.) He hoped to the people on this important subject, by voting meet the other House half-way, and he coun. against the motion. Nothing certainly which selled the House of Commons not to move had happened should make him not adhere to one step. (Cheers.) The tone of the honourthat moderation he recommended. He could able Gentleman's speech was that of modepot forget that on the last time he had ad- ration, but he supported a resolution which dressed the House, he had expressed his satis-cut off all hopes of a compromise. (No, faction that no personal differences had taken no.) Was it not evident that there was a place during the debate, and the noble Lord contradiction between the hon. Gentleman's (Altborp's) reply had expressed a hope that speech and the resolution he supported ? all animosity would be buried. He knew not Hon. Members must see that the resolution what necessity there was now to revive ani- was a compulsory proposition. Another bor, mosity. (Hear, hear.) It was not justified by Gentleman had said that the provisions of the the occasion on either side, either in desend- bill might have been modified, had it not been ing the Administration or in assigning the for the obstinacy of the opposition. (Hear, reasons in detail for withbolding confidence hear.) The Guvernment certainly, could not from the Government. lu stating some accept that defence. According to that, it of the grounds for with holding that confi- was the troublesome opposition which predence, be should avoid all acrimonious dis-vented the bill from being made perfect; but cassion. If the majority thought it allvisable the vote the House was called on to come to, to agree to a resolution to support the bill, inplied that it had been improved by their in order to place it upon the records of the obstinacy. It was urged, as one ground for House, that was not the time for him to enter the resolution, that the bill had been matured into verbal criticism of the resolution, for by discussions the most anxious and laborious, which be certainly did not mean to vote. And the fault he had to find with the resoluHe, however, doubted, under the circum- tion was, that it implied that this Bill was stances, if it were wise in the noble Lord to necessary to be adherod to, when an equally call on the majority to agree to such a reso: efficient measure might be introduced, which lution. He thought the divisions on the bill this resolution would preclude them from aca sufficient proof of the determination of the cepting. Why pledge the House to the bill as House to support the bill, without eutering it stool, and why exclude themselves from into any such resolution. That resolution accepting another measure equivalent to that? called upon the House to affirm two proposi. The resolution pledged the House to all the tions, not necessarily connected. They were provisions of the bill —it pledged the House to called upon to declare in favour of the Reformibe 101. clause. One of the many provisions, Bill, and to declare, at the same time, that which was much iusisted upon, and which his Majesty's Government was deserviug of was much objected to, was the uniform right their confidence. He thought it uuwise to of voting given to the 101. householders. Now call on the House to assent to the two propo- he had heard it stated, he could not say, wbere sitions in one resolution, and it would be or by whom, but he had heard it stated by a more complimentary to his Majesty's Govern- person of high cousideration, that the argue ment, as well as more customary, to give ex ments on the uniform right of voting had gone pressiou to the confidence of the House in a far to shake his mind, and he should be pree: distinct resolution, Allow him to say to the pared to listen to extensive modifications, hon. Gentleman opposite, that he had beard That was an important part of the bill, and bis speech with great pleasure, and was only most important if not restricted. The framprevented from giving it great praise by the ers of the bill had invested the right of vote compliment the honourable Member had ing, and perhaps some plau might be accepte thouybt proper to pay to hin; but that speech able which would give that right to small was distiuguished by a toue of moderation towns at a lower rate, and restrict it to a which the majority would do well to adopt. higher rent in the larger towns. That right The honourable Geutleman thought it would night be modified; but if the House agreed
to the resolution, they would pledge them- lamented some of the expressions, and the selves against any modification of the pro- tone adopted by the hon. and learned Gentlevisions of the lill. They might pledge them. man, and his observations on the present selves, if they pleased, to adhere to the prin. state of domestic danger. Why did the ciple of the bill, but by pledging themselves to honourable Gentleman seek, hy stating adhere to the provisions, they would prevent all strange principles, and exaggerating diffiimprovement. On these grouods he objected culties, to increase that danger? Why did he to the resolution. He doubted the policy of seek to augment dangerous passions on danthe majority who had supported the bill, pledg- gerous topics ? (Cheers.) He must'say, that ing itself and the House to adopt the bill. the eloquence of the hon. and learned GentleHe had heard the hou. and learned Gentleman man not uufrequently got the better of his complain of the weariness of discussions, judgment; and now and then, when there while the resolution said that the bill had been was some sembiance of argument in his dematured by discussions the most anxious and clamation, when it was examined, it was laborious. The noble Lord's resolution vin- found to make rather against than for his side dicated the pertinacious opposition, and on of the question. Then the hon. Gentleman these grounds called on the House. The re- had stated that the House of Commons was solution embraced two subjects—that of re- generally, in relation to the House of Lords, form, and confidence in the Government. The in the right, and the bills it had sent up to the House was called upon to express ils confidence Lords, though at first refused, were afterwards in the integrity of the Ministers, their perse- assented to ; but if the House of Commons had verance, and their ability in introducing the this general means of persuading or compelReform Bill, and in conducting it through the ling the House of Lords to adopt its views, House. He did not wish by any means to what became of that part of the hon. Member's lower the character and weaken the power of argument which weni to state, that the House the executive Goverament; and in expressing of Commons was dependent on the House of a difference of opinion from the resolution, be Lords? Did not that prove that the two begged to be understood as not implying any Houses were independent, co-ordinate powers, doubt of the personal integrity or perseverance and that the opinion of the House of Commons of the Ministers; neither did he express any generally prevailed ? (Hear.). He was-sorry doubt of their ability in debates; but without that the hon, and learned Gentleman, in talkdoubting their personal integrity, their perse- ing of danger, had again introduced menaces verance, or their skill in debate, he might into his speech (hear, hear)--that he had still be far from placing confidence in them
as thought it right to menace the House of Lords. a Government. He could not, for example, The hon. and learned Gentleman's whole arextend his approbation to the mauner in which gument turved upon the principle of intole. they had introduced the Reform Bill, nor the rance--I an right, and you are wrong. That time of introducing it, both of which were, in was the whole of the bon.and learded Gentlehis opinion, inconsistent with the interest of man's assumption. (Hear.) He thought, howthe country. The resolution praised their ever, that he was supported by physical power, conduct on these points, and against that part and then he said, “ You must give way.' of it lie could give a conscientious vote. There (Cheers.) Could he not think that he was were several other parts of their conduct addressing high and honourable men, who which he did not approve of. Their repeal of were capable of being influenced by reason the coal duties had his approbation; but their and argumeut; and would it not have been foreign policy, which he would not enter iuto, more to expect to influence the decision of the was any-thing but favourable to the country; other House by reasoning than by threatsbut without stating all his objections to their that if they did not pass the bill they should be policy, it was sufficient for him tu say that the proscribed and exiled like the nobility of Government was not entitled to his confidence France ? (Cheers.) The hun. and learned on account of the manner in which they had Gentlemau says, that it is important to prointroduced and supported the Reform Bill. The duce tranquillity; and, therefore, he voted for hon. and learned Gentleman (Mr. Macaulay) the resolution of the noble Lord; but, if he said, that refusing to acknowledge the prin- wished for tranquillity, would he call upon the ciples of this bill, would expose us to a greater House to enter into à pleulge which excited domestic danger than this couutry had ever hopes, perhaps encouraged discontent, and before been exposed to. The hon. and learned kept alive agitation? The hon. Member in. Gentleman had referred to this state of do dulged in prophecies; and he never heard mestic dauger, and to the public opinion ou prophecies more likely to realize themselves, the subject, as a reason why the House should than those of the hon. aud learned Member. place confidence in his Majesty's Government, lastead of calling on the people to demand the as a means of continuiug and repressing this bill, why out enjoiu them to rest satisfied and agitation. (Hear.) But when he looked at contented ? Why encourage discontent and the extent to which the bill went, the time it dissatisfaction ? Why- tell the people how was introduced, and the means by which its they might resist the law (cheers) as the hon. temporary success was insured (hear, hear), and learncd Gentleman did ? The bon. and he was doubtful how much of the damage had learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Counell) had albeen caused by the Government itself. He luded to the state of the metropolis, when an
infamous attack had been made upon the life that a majority had a fixed determination to of the Prime Minister, and that Prime Minis-, support the bill, but a determination tu supter the Duke of Wellington; an act of the port the law; and that all language which basest ingratitude and the greatest, wicked: tended to influence the pa-sions of the people ness. The hon. and learned Gentleman had -all measures wbich tended to excite their alluded to the intended attack on the Duke of hopes, would only end in greater di-appointWellington. (Mr. Macaulay intimated that went to all. They ought not to refer to the he had not allūded to any such thing.] No, possibility,they ongbi not to teach the people it was the honourable Member for Kerry lie that it was easy to refuse the payment of taxes was alluding to ; but when that hon. Nem--they ought not to exaggerate the amount of ber bad spoken of the base attack to be made public meetings, and encouraye others. It on the life of the Duke of Wellington, not in- was easy enough to say that 150,000 men asdeed by the middle classes, but by the luwest senibled' bere and 40,000 there, but before classes, the hou. and learned Member for such assertions were made individuals ought Calne had explained how they might avoid to be correct as to the facis, for such saicthe penalties of the law, and avoid paying the ments led men to meet in other places; and taxes. (Hear.) Was not that exciting the such meetings do not take place, though for a passions of the people? (Hear, hear.). The legal object, without exciting apprehensions in hon. aud learned 'Gentleman deplored the ex- the well-disposeil, atid witbuut exposing the , cesses of the people and their readiness to re- public peace to danger. Great masses of men sist the law, and said it was hardly necessary could not meet without exciting apprehension. to make a speech directing then how to show | He wished that honourable Meinbers would their hostility. He would also say a few warn the people of the consequences of disowords to the other hon. and learned Gentle beying the law, particularly of refusing to pay man (Mr. Shiel), who had imitated the hon. the taxes. The whole community was deeply and learned Gentleman, but had fallen below interested in preserving obedience to the law. him. He would not follow tbe hon. and It was not for the advautage of the lew, but Jearned Gentleman, being warned by his ex. for the benefit of us all; and those mad proample that the ambition to make a great ceedings now talked of would paralyse inattempt does not ensure success. (Cheers.) Justry, suspend commerce, and inflict the The sentences of the hun. and learned Gentle- most grievous injury on the lowest classes. man bore the marks of much labour, and were Again he would say, that the people should be a credit to his industry. He had given the informed that the privileges of the peers, House several old stories, and amoug others which were now so lightly brought into disthat of the Sybil, and ou her he thought the cussion, were not conferred on the peers for House had already drawn often enough during the gratification of their personal vanitythese debates; and he hoped that the rules of they were uot so much personal privileges, the House concerning females woulu, in fu. as privileges conferred for the benefit of the ture, be extended to her, and she would not wbule community, and which had on several be suffered again to be present at the debates. occasions been useful to the people them(A laugh.) There was another female men- selves. The independence of the peers was a tioned by Burke of whom the hoo.and learned guarantee and security to the liberties of the Member reminded him. Mr. Burke said that people, and tranquillity would be best preserved some persons who imitated the contortious of by respectivg their rights. He did not like to the Pythian Goddess thought they had caught trust himself on this subject of excitement; her inspiration. (Cheers and laughter.) The but when lie considered ihe influence of the hon, and learned Gentleman thought the Goverument, he was persuaded that if the whole essence of Toryism might be con
were employed to excite an densed into one short word, and that shurt opinion against the peerage which bad been word was East Retford. (A laugh.). He employed on the subject of reform, it would wished his honourable Friend, the 'Mem- uot be difficult 10 produce a very strong disber for Hertford, were present, for he could like to it. In conclusion, the right hupourable tell the honourable aud learned Member Gentleman declared that all who had voted that he proposed extending the franchise of for the Reform Bill would probably vote for East Reiford to Bassetlaw, and it was rather the resolution, while all who had opposed the singular that the hovourable and learned bill were bound in consistency to vote against Member should have selected the act of a good the resolution. (Hear.) old Wbig to designate the party of the Tories. Lord ERRINGTON replied. The House di(A laugł.). He hoped he had not said, one videdword to add to the excitement which existed
For the Motion....
329 on the subject to which the resolution referred, Against ...
198 which it was his wish to calm. He understood that his Majesty's Government were to
Majority...... 131 retain office; that they still enjoyed the confidence of their Sovereign, and still hoped to carry the bill. There was one thing he
* I beg the reader to observe that part tbought certain—that they were the truest of the speech of Peel where he speaks friends to their country who proclaimed, not of a readiness to new-model the bill as
far as relates to the ten-pound house- also impossible that I should not think holders in great towns. He manifestly it likely that Lord Grey went to Windalludes to the speech of Brougham; sor for the purpose of tendering his and that drew from Lord ALTHORP, in resignation in case the King should deanswer to Peel, a declaration similar to termine not to create, if necessary for that of Lord Grey ; namely, that he that purpose, a sufficient number of would not retain office for an hour if peers to carry the bill. It is impossible not permitted to carry this bill without not to believe that there had been those any diminution of its efficiency. difficulties, those objections to this crea
In the meanwhile, the great parishes tion, mentioned in the above paragraph were meeting in hundreds of thousands; quoted from the COURIER. It is imposthe Guild-hall, with the city of London, sible not to believe this. The age of had been choked up with people all the the King; various other circumstances, day; every-where, resolutions and ad- rendered it next to impossible that Lord dresses were passed and about to pass, GREY should not have found these diffideclaring that the parties would not pay culties to exist; and if he did find them, taxes if Lord Grey could not retain his it becaine him to overcome them, if that place; great discontent began to show were possible. He might, and, if he itself, that the King had not come to had been more concerned about himself London at once to prorogue the Parlia- than about the King and the country, ment and to take measures for carrying he would, have quitted his post, leaving the bill. This last circumstance excited the intolerable toil behind him; or be a degree of uneasiness that it is not brought back to his post again on the possible to describe. No one knew what shoulders of the people: this is what an to think : all seemed to fear that the indolent or a vain man would have done. King would be prevailed upon, by false It is what many a brave man would have representations, to break with his Minis- done, too, and which he might have ter; or, at least, to do that which alone done without imputation of blame. could now retrieve the affairs of the Lord Grey chose the really virtuous Government, and give the country a course ; to go to his Majesty, to reprechance of tranquillity. At this juncture sent to hin the dangers with which he (Monday afternoon), it was announced was surrounded, to point out to him the that Lord GREY" had departed for means of avoiding those dangers; and Windsor ; so that every one expected to induce him to adopt those means. to hear, the next morning, the result of We do not know, indeed, that his Ma. this momentous conference. This re- jesty had been at all shaken in his pursult was not known until the afternoon puse; and, not knowing it, we ought of Tuesday, when it was noised all over not to adopt the belief, but, while we the town that the Minister had had a pass no censure upon the King, even conference of two hours with the King; supposing him to have been beset and that the King remained firm in his ad- to have been shaken in his purpose, we herence to his Minister and the bill ; can never enough applaud the wise and and that, as a proof of the correctness of virtuous course of Lord GREY, who this statement, Lord Howe, Chamber- might, by a contrary line of conduct, by lain to the Queen, had been dismissed flinging up his post, and leaving the King from his office. This news gave great in the hands of others, have thrown the and universal satisfaction, and, in some whole kingdom into confusion, while he measure, counterbalanced the tidings himself would have been, in a short time, from the country, in several parts of brought back again in triumph, and which, particularly Derby and Notting- have seen all his opponents under his ham, very alarming disturbances were feet. This was the path of ambition ; going on, attended with fatal conse- and it was one, too, that he might quences to life well as to property. have pursued without exposing himself
It is impossible that I should know to censure. He chose the other course, any-thing at all of the fact; but it is the course of peace to the country and
safety to the King; and for this he ago; but he is now Bishop of Worces-
VOTED AGAINST THE BILL.
William Howley reliance; he had seen Lord Howe vote
Williain Van Mildert ·against him, and then hasten back to Winchester Charles Richard Sumner the Court; he had heard the speech of Salisbury Thomas Burgess BROUGHAN and his declaration that he Bath and Wells., George Henry Law
Rochester did not care if he offended him; he had
Litchfield -had quite enough to fill him with dis-Peterborough
Herbert Marsh gust and resentment ; quite enough; and Lincoln
Jobn Kaye he had in his hands all the means of St. Asaph
William Carey ohtaining instant revenge on all the Bangor Christopher Bethell
Robert Gray parties that he saw combined against Carlisle
Hugh Percy him. He mastered his just resentinent; Llandaff
Edward Coppleston and yet he maintained his own honour. Oxford
Henry Phillpott ing, having learned, in the course of the day, that Nottingham Castle, the pro
Poer Trench perty of the Duke of Newcastle, Leighlin Thomas Erington had been 'burnt by the people. On Cloyne
John Brinkley Tuesday evening the House of Lords Cork
Samuel Kyle met; when there arose a very angry KEPT AWAY AND DID NOT SEND discussion, or, rather, a downright
Edward Harcourt quarrel, brought on by the Bishop of York Exeter. The bishops had exposed Hereford
Israel Huntiogford themselves, by their voting on the bill.
Boywer Edward Sparke In the list of the majority and minority, St. David's Johu Banks Jenkinson which I have inserted below, it will be Worcester
Robert James Carr
John Bird Sumner seen that twenty-one of the English Chester -bishops voted against the bill and two
VOTED FOR THE BILL.
Norwich voted for it. But, besides this, we are
Chichester Dr. Maltby. to observe, that there were seventeen English bishops, out of the twenty- It is very clear, therefore, that the six who voted against the bill; that Bishops were the cause of the loss of there are only four Irish bishops who the Bill; for, if the twenty-one had sit in the House of Lords, as the repre- voted the other way, there would have sentatives of the whole eighteen Irish been a majority of one in favour of the bishops ; and that the whole of these bill: if these ministers of peace had four voted against the bill. So that thought proper thus to act there would there were but two bishops out of the have been peace and harmony, instead forty-four that voted for the bill; the of trouble and danger all over the kingfour Irish tishops having voted against dom. But, this is not all; for, there it, as the representatives of the Irish were seven of the English Bishops you eighteen. This is a very memorable see, who kept away, and who did not thing; this is a matter to be borne in send their proxies. If they were ill, mind; and, therefore, I shall here put they could have sent their proxies for down all the particulars; the names of the bill in like manner as the Bishop of the bishops as well as of their dioceses; Norwich did. Their keeping away, for these gentlemen are everlastingly therefore, does not in the smallest degree changing about ; and one who is Bishop alter the public impression with regard of Gloucester to day, is Bishop of Litch- to their conduct. field to-morrow. For instance, Carr Now for the quarrel before-mentioned, was Bishop of Chichester a little while which took place in the House of Lords,