- assign, or transfer, or | He would lay this proviso on the table, intending to move that it should be added to debt or claim, and give any part of these prohibe guilty of misdemea the Bill. MR. I. BUTT said, he must complain that the hon. and learned Solicitor General had made a personal attack upon him, and said he was prepared to stand by the Bill. He denied the justice of the hon. and learned Gentleman's criticism. He admitted that the proviso was one which he had himself suggested, and which he would have brought up if the noble Lord the Home Secretary had not himself stated that the Solicitor General was prepared to submit a proviso upon the third reading. at Amsterdam any bankrupt, or should of his property for litors, amongst whom ould be the principal -y, therefore, accept ough they might do ace of the fact that ty so assigned there these prohibited artimerchants would be or. If, again, any ppointed a residuary unable to take any onsist of these stocks ird case, suppose a me bankrupt, and an o happened to be one I over to Holland to could be immediately right to any portion, might be invested in forsooth, the British bited it. It appeared encies were perfectly ers of the Bill, for the thout any provisions etions similar to those ntioned, into which a ht be drawn without So far, indeed, as the Bill was concerned, sh subjects from dealwn voluntary acts in quite in conformity he existing law; but ermitted to go on he VISCOUNT PALMERSTON said, that certainly what passed in the small hours of the morning did infinite credit to the intellectual and physical vigour of hon. Members. It appeared that they became more energetic, and their spirits and physical energies seemed to increase as the time of night wore away, but he thought, with all deference, that they had not been employing their time to the best purpose. The Bill was one on which considerable difference of opinion existed, but a large majority had affirmed its principle, and he had no doubt that an equally large majority was prepared to affirm it now. It was stated with a good deal of ground the other evening that there were questions of detail in the Bill which required further consideration, and his hon. and learned Friend the Solicitor General had proposed a proviso, which seemed calculated to meet most of the objections which had been raised. This proviso they could not take into consideration now, because they were discussing the question of reporting progress, and as this discussion seemed likely of words which would to go on, he was of opinion that they had interfering in trans-better report progress now, and as Wedberation would be al-nesday was an open day, the Bill might would read the terms then be taken the first thing. he considered necese Bill e provisions of the Act ude any British subject estate or effects of any case of any British subffects of a debtor in exeBritish subject claiming rested under any bankcration, cessio bonorum, trust for creditors; but tish subject may take debts, due or belonging hat the same may arise or proceeds of any such -eral LORD DUDLEY STUART said, that he did not object to reporting progress, but he trusted the Committee would allow him to say a few words on account of what had fallen from the Solicitor General. The hon. and learned Gentleman had said that the opinion which he had given to him (Lord D. Stuart) with regard to the Bill was given without reading it. He (Lord D. Stuart) must, with all respect, directly contradict this statement. At the time he spoke to the hon. and learned Gentleman, he (Lord D. Stuart) had the Bill in his hand, and the hon. and learned Gentleman looked at it cu self very much ing day he met tleman, who wa have looked at y and think it u some particulars as the objections ed Gentleman h proposed to rem heads of this pro the Bill, which h held in his hand Gentleman then were added, he Bill. To this he that he was willin and would draw effect, and have it only reason why pared and put up was, that the hon. had himself prop did appear to be that the hon. and l now say that the word in the Bill w it. He thought i in accordance with sistency, consideri tions that he had ject, if he had all viso after he had THE SOLICIT this would be a le any communicatio to which he had no He had communic in answer to the put to him, havi his Bill from his d having understood apply to Russian afterwards told th stock created sinc and he then state mity with the g The Committee w ing that he was opinion on the n take any part in do what he had to willing to do, to would make it m be, and as little of. in case the princ House resumed Committee rep The House ad HOUSE OF LORI Friday, July 28, 1854 MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.-1a Chanc looked at it cursorily and expressed himself very much opposed to it. The following day he met the hon. and learned Gentleman, who was kind enough to say, "I have looked at your Bill, and examined it, and think it unobjectionable-except in some particulars." They were the same as the objections which the hon. and learned Gentleman had just stated, which he proposed to remove by a proviso, and the heads of this proviso he wrote down upon the Bill, which he (Lord D. Stuart) then held in his hand. The hon. and learned Gentleman then said that if this proviso SALE OF BEER, &c., BIL were added, he had no objection to the Bill read 3a (according to orde Bill. To this he (Lord D. Stuart) replied THE EARL OF HARROWBY that he was willing to accept the proviso, the Amendments of which he and would draw up a clause to the same notice. The first Amendment effect, and have it added to the Bill. The able public-houses to be open o only reason why no such proviso was pre-from one o'clock to half-past 2 pared and put upon the notices of Motion giving an extension of half an was, that the hon. and learned Gentleman yond the time fixed originally in had himself proposed to draw it up, It The next Amendment would al did appear to be hardly fair, after this, to open again at 5 o'clock that the hon. and learned Gentleman should remain open till 10 P.M. in th now say that there was hardly a single and till 11 P.M. in the summer word in the Bill which ought to remain in quiring that no liquor should it. He thought it would have been more after 10 P.M. The object of in accordance with courtesy and with con- alteration was to meet the case sistency, considering the kind communica- persons who sought recreation tions that he had made to him on the sub- neighbourhood of London on Su ject, if he had allowed him to see the pro- required refreshment. Whilst l viso after he had drawn it up. on Sunday was allowed, it must sity be accompanied by some which would secure to persons the means of obtaining refreshm freshment was an incident to lo and he did not see how the two v separated. He hoped that wi Amendments the closing of the of public entertainment would b in the summer at 11 o'clock P. latest, and at 10 P.M. in the wint he thought would be a material ment, and one that would con promote public order and decen Lord's Day. THE SOLICITOR GENERAL said, this would be a lesson to him not to have any communication on Bills with respect to which he had no official duty to perform. He had communicated to the noble Lord, in answer to the question which he had put to him, having first misapprehended his Bill from his own statement of it, and having understood that it was intended to apply to Russian stock generally. He was afterwards told that it applied to Russian stock created since the declaration of war; and he then stated that it was in conformity with the general spirit of the law. The Committee would bear him out in saying that he was unwilling to express any opinion on the merits of the Bill, or to take any part in the discussion, except to do what he had told the noble Lord he was willing to do, to frame a proviso, which would make it more like what it ought to be, and as little objectionable as possible in case the principle were to be approved of. House resumed. Committee report progress. LORD REDESDALE said, he ed that while 300,000 persons every Sunday upon pleasure exc would be difficult to interfere means of providing them with ments. Their object should be t as far as possible consideration necessary requirements of the with regard for public order. T however, this difficulty in dea this matter that while in the la from which the excursionists pro The House adjourned at Three o'clock. the morning, and to which they , the hour of 10 or 11 t be too late to allow supplied to them, it too late in the coun RROWBY moved his at 5 o'clock RM. be .M. as the hour at might open in the of Commons; because it might be said that their Lordships had not so much sympathy for the improvement of the social condition of the people or so much consideration for their wishes, or so much knowledge of what concerned their welfare, as the Committee of the other House, who had taken evidence on this subject, and sent up this Bill. He would therefore certainly take the sense of the House against the second of his noble Friend's Amendments, and endeavour to have the Bill adopted as it came up from the House of Commons. AFTESBURY said, no objection to the his noble Friend, for s to be open from one Sundays; but to the he could not agree. lly stood proposed to on Sunday evenings six and nine o'clock, sonable demands the nded to ten o'clock, on the Bill received her House, and came . Now, however, his 1 to extend the hours n o'clock, instead of g a difference of three ith the first Bill, and s to be open for six Thus the positive gain ce of the Lord's Day, that had been made, neral feeling that had The subject, would, if were adopted, only and a half, namely, houses from half-past The demand of the erely for a modified he closing of these hole of Sunday, the evidence taken before e of the other House nging to all classes upporting that more Therefore, the mere es for two hours and the case at present equate and most unnt of this matter. ere most anxious to eform introduced for Ives and families, he hips should render e carrying out of an ently desired; and im more pain than proposed in their ch would defeat the t up from the House THE BISHOP OF LONDON would support the noble Earl (the Earl of Shaftesbury) in his opposition to the second of these Amendments. The alterations now proposed would go very nearly to destroy the whole value of the measure. He had been the humble instrument in inducing their Lordships to agree to the existing law, which closed public-houses in London till one o'clock on Sundays, and the most beneficial effects had resulted from that regulation. Subsequently when a Police Bill for Liverpool was proposed, their Lordships consented, at his suggestion, to insert a clause closing public-houses in Liverpool also till one o'clock on the Lord's Day; and influential individuals in that town, who had remonstrated against the provision when it was first proposed, had since frankly confessed to him that their opinion had since then been entirely. changed by actual experience of its salutary and beneficial operation. The four hours from six to ten o'clock at night was surely a long enough time for any one to spend in drinking at a public-house on the Lord's Day, and to restrict them to that time would be doing no injury to the working classes, but a real benefit to them, and especially a benefit to their wives and families. He had no wish to prevent the people from enjoying proper recreation, and he admitted that they could not compel them to be religious by law; but Parliament had in its power to remove from them strong temptations to violate the precepts of morality and religion. Protracted habits of intemperance tended not only to the ruin of their own souls, but to the impoverishment of their wives and families; and he therefore hoped their Lordships would not consent to relax the fair and moderate restrictions contained in this Bill, in the shape in which it came up from another place. THE MARQUESS OF CLANRICARDE said, that it wo live all the wee hoods, and who or part of it at Windsor, Hampt place to be del comfort and refres for them. The this Bill turned of finition of the wor he had no object closed in the larg that great discom be occasioned to for the want of a to who were and v sidered "traveller On Question th hours from 1 P.M for the purpose of ing the period to agreed to. On Question th hours from 6 P.M. of the clause. Their Lordships Not Content 15: M Amendment ne made. Bill passed and s MEDICAL GRADUA LOND LORD MONTEA Committee (which Day) be put off to THE DUKE OF state, that since the the other night, he from the various from the various nected with the me did not find that a were in favour of jected, without ex upon one ground or that the London better claim to t to be conferred up the other Universit the kingdom. He had no objection to ates of the Univer entitling them to he contended that i eiple they ought them the right a pharmacy, and al medicine. He un said, that it would be a great hardship to a doubt whether the word "physi artisans and others who were obliged to not include surgery and pharmac live all the week in crowded neighbour- as pure physic, and whether, by th hoods, and who wished to pass the Sunday, the Bill would not have a larger or part of it at least, in the country-at than was intended. He meant Windsor, Hampton Court, or some similar spect in any way to the London U place to be debarred from obtaining the by the disapproval he felt bound t comfort and refreshment which were needful as to the present measure, and for them. The real question contained in take that opportunity of expres this Bill turned on the want of a proper de- sincere gratification he experien finition of the word "traveller;" and though late occasion, when present at th he had no objection to see public-houses bution of the prizes at the Lon closed in the large towns, yet he believed versity, at seeing some of the yo that great discomfort and hardship would carry away the highest prizes in be occasioned to excursionists and others exalted department of medical for the want of a proper understanding as There was nothing in the pre to who were and who were not to be con- which was in any way calculate sidered "travellers.' fectually carry out the great prin medical reform, and the difference fications that were required by the Universities would throw almost able difficulties in the way of carr present measure into effect. A could not understand, if we adm graduates of London and Durham sities to the benefit of this Bill, u principle it was the graduates of lin and Scotch Universities were cluded. He did not think there thing in the argument that this only the fulfilment of the pledge the founders of the London Un and, in Committee, he should move the insertion of a clause to that the Universities of Scotland land should possess the same pow was proposed to confer on the University by this Bill. The gre tion, however, that he had to the that it prejudged the great qu medical reform, and did so in favour the University of London exclusion and injury of other and Universities. On Question that the words fixing the hours from 1 P.M. to 2 P.M. be omitted for the purpose of inserting words extending the period to 2 P.M.; Amendment agreed to. On Question that the words fixing the hours from 6 P.M. to 10 P.M. stand part of the clause. Their Lordships divided:-Content 24; Not Content 15: Majority 9. Amendment negatived; Amendments made. Bill passed and sent to the Commons. MEDICAL GRADUATES (UNIVERSITY OF LORD MONTEAGLE moved, That the THE DUKE OF ARGYLL wished to state, that since the discussion on this Bill the other night, he had seen deputations from the various Universities, and also from the various licensing bodies connected with the medical profession, but he did not find that any of these gentlemen were in favour of this Bill; they all objected, without exception, to it, either upon one ground or another. They thought that the London University had not a better claim to the privileges proposed to be conferred upon it by this Bill than the other Universities in different parts of the kingdom. He (the Duke of Argyll) had no objection to granting to the graduates of the University of London degrees entitling them to practise medicine; but he contended that if they adopted this principle they ought to go further, and give them the right also to practise surgery, pharmacy, and all the other branches of medicine. He understood that there was LORD MONTEAGLE said, that operation of this Bill would be to graduates of the University of Lo a general right to practise, but same privileges which were poss the graduates of the Universitie ford and Cambridge. The Bill fulfilment of a pledge, made at th the foundation of the University don by the Government of the the new University should be tre the same favour as the others. been supported in its passage thr other House by the noble Lord t tary of State for the Home Dep and every Member of the Govern d not, therefore, un-inserted in the Bill to limit its operaike's opposition to it. tion. o carnest in support > not convinced that ay interfere with the edical reform, and if hat it would be ing a great improvenjury to any one. GYLL said, he had at only yesterday he w with the President ollege of Physicians, to the Bill, on the led much more than ce of it. feared that the partion contemplated by 7 prejudice the larger measures of medical Motion agreed to. House adjourned to Monday next. 2° Court of Chancery. MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.-1° Usury Laws Repeal. MILITIA (No. 2) BILL. Clause 4 (Expense of Storehouse, how to be provided for). MR. ROBERT PALMER said, he wished to insert at the beginning of the clause the words "one half of," which would have the effect of transferring half the expense of the new establishments from the county rates to the Consolidated Fund. The question was one of very great importance, and, as he saw the noble Lord the Secretary of State for the Home Department in his place, he would beg to ask him whether, after the discussion which had taken place on the subject, he would not give his consent to this Amendment. Memorials had been agreed to at quarter sessions, in which the memorialists stated that they had always considered that the charges in question ought not to be defrayed out of the county rates, but, inasmuch as the militia was a national force for the general protection of Her Majesty's subjects, they were of opinion that it should be borne by the nation at large. He admitted that for many years the counties had been called on to provide for the expense occasioned by the militia force, but he thought, when that expense was so much extended by the introduction of a new system, they ought not to be compelled by Act of Parliament to bear the burden of the new charge. It was unnecessary for him to raise any of the points in detail which already had occupied the attention of the House, but he hoped the noble Lord would give a satisfactory answer, and support a Motion for a national expenditure for the buildings required for the militia, which force, in consequence of the war, had become of national importance-being moved about to different parts of the country to garrison LANSDOWNE said, cussion then going on to lead to a division, ure of a conversation yet he was induced to se he was enabled to its both of the noble enches (Lord MontFriend near him. As rd had said about the ere was no doubt that always been held out advantages which this ; and, as far as me1, sharing the same the Universities of ge. The University ow undeniably proved pproval of the public way in which it had o resorted to it in the medical science, and ed out better scholars ither the Universities ge, claimed the prised to extend to her, not now, with any efuse to give. He a just tribute to the e sorry to throw any other medical and out in these matters when fairly earned. Duke had said about d lest the words of more extended power ted, there was no d exist, but it could some clause being those places occupied by t therefore cons ticular localiti blishments. the fact that houses, &c., 1 by the counties ask for more Amendment. Amendment 20, to insert, Clause, the wor MR. SIDNE thought the pr was founded on spect to the prin now imposed on cessary for this denied that ther that principle w The extent of not say principle! spect to the exte Committee must provements took of the State the ed by increased the case with ma lidated Fund, a been made in t which led to incr reason whatever on the Consolidat stitutional princi pose local burder establishment wh Another view of and it was cont right to make a Counties unless th thing in exchang thought counties recent changes. of the Act of 18 ties for militia ba by another chang on volunteers was solidated Fund i rates, which cha local character. men could not be was an annual paid out of the c quence of the principle the ne altogether cease tically speaking last war, the from 281. to 30 C VOL. CXX |