uld well understand been hitherto very doubtful. If they were to legalise this mode of corruption in the counties, he hoped at least that it would not be extended to the boroughs. MR. BONHAM-CARTER said, he saw no objection to allow the actual reasonable expenses to voters, as proposed by the noble Lord, but he should prefer the suggestion of the hon. and learned Member for Newcastle-on-Tyne (Mr. Headlam). LORD ROBERT GROSVENOR said, he wished to know whether tavern expenses to electors who were travelling to the election would be allowed under the Act? LORD JOHN RUSSELL said, that reasonable travelling expenses would be allowed, but that refreshment expenses would not be allowed. [Lord R. GROSVENOR; But hotel expenses?] It would be impossible to answer every question that might arise. Question put, there inserted." "That the word 'not' be The Committee divided:-Ayes 49; Noes 110: Majority 61. MR. HEADLAM said, he would now bring forward the Amendment of which he had given notice. decided on having law one way or the they must incur a evils. The one evil ared positively to be s now avowedly the sitive sanction to it, though he did not at extent, that some erto not asked to be ht, in future, ask to y place. But if they direction, that they f these expenses to t that would lead at r of the voters, more ling freeholders, not r votes. He consigreater evil than the that some persons might be carried to een carried hitherto. e evil of conveying owned he did not An hon. Gentleoter felt degraded if poll. No doubt in majority of voters cercising their frand independently if oting place without o any expense. But the same privilege that a man's indedestroyed by being - in an Act of Pard that to be legal to be legal before. position for amendnot think there was The Committee in wishing to have ect at all, but unless he hoped they would other, either decide dment of the hon. r Ayr, and thereby rtion of the voters, s it stood. MSLEY said, that ed upon that if they penses for convey at many voters from t be some show of carded the counties, uld not apply to bo as for any purpose event bribery, but alise one form of lise that which had Amendment proposed, at the end of the Clause, to add the words “Provided always, that in the case of boroughs no travelling expenses shall be deemed reasonable, except the expense of bringing up to the poll from their residences within the borough, or with respect to freemen from their residences within seven miles from the borough, aged or infirm voters.” MR. SAWLE said, he would remind the hon. and learned Member that some boroughs were as large as small counties. MR. FREWEN said, that around Leicester, for instance, there were many villages in which a great number of poor freemen resided, and the clause would virtually disfranchise them. In some straggling boroughs voters might virtually reside as far as fifteen miles from the voting place. LORD SEYMOUR would ask the hon. and learned Member for Newcastle how he could justify the application of one rule to boroughs and another to counties? MR. HILDYARD said, he would read the proviso which the hon. and learned Member proposed next to move, namely— "Provided always that, in case any candidate shall, bonâ fide, endeavour and exercise reasonable care to limit the expenses for travelling and refreshment in accordance with the provisions of this clause, he shall not be personally liable, nor shall his seat be avoided for any accidental payment for travelling or refreshment, not strictly authorised by the rules hereinbefore laid down." person after that pro Noes 47; Majority 41 the following clause- MR. WALPOLE S de Committee that if repugnant to the feelin country, it would f MR. HILDYARD S that the lunch which i at elections for the bridge to every Voter the party he had polle clause were agreed to taries of the Church 1 misdemeanor. He t the noble Lord not to 4 clause that would of culous. MR. HEADLAM MR. HENLEY S How would it be possible to convict any person after that proviso? MR. HEADLAM said, that the qualification in boroughs was a residential, and that in counties a property, one. That, he thought, was a very good reason why a difference should be made. MR. W. WILLIAMS said, it was a sufficiently suggestive circumstance, that these objections should come from a party who had shown such a disposition to cling to the last rag of corruption. The voters in the neighbourhood of Leicester were in the habit of walking several times every week with their work, and might do so to exercise one of the proudest rights of Englishmen. Question put, there added.' "That those words be The Committee divided:-Ayes 51; Noes 95: Majority 44. Question put, "That the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill." vertheless thought that the cl to form part of the Bill. He ever, propose the clause on th order that its wording might dered. Clause withdrawn. MR. WALPOLE (in the abs F. Kelly) moved to insert the clause in the place of Clause original Bill "The election officer shall keep which shall come to his hands in convenient place, and shall, at all re tion of the candidates and their age convenient times, submit the same t mit them to take copies of the sar quest; and when such general accou said shall be so made out and signed shall keep the same in some fit and place, and such general account shal shall be furnished to any voter at all the inspection of any voter, and co and convenient times upon request, paying a fee at the rate of one shilli 200 words for the same; and when officer shall have concluded the bus The Committee divided:-Ayes 88; election, he shall deliver over all the Noes 47; Majority 41. Clause added to the Bill. his hands to the clerk of the peace and to the town clerk or other officer LORD JOHN RUSSELL then proposed any of the duties of town clerk in the following clause "The giving, or causing to be given, to any Voter on the day of nomination or day of polling, on account of such voter having polled, or being about to poll, any meat, drink, or entertainment by way of refreshment, or any money or ticket to enable such Voter to obtain refreshment, shall be held and be taken to amount to bribery or treating, as the case may be, within the meaning of this Act." MR. WALPOLE said, he must warn the Committee that if they made the Bill repugnant to the feelings of the people of this country, it would fail of its object. MR. HILDYARD said, he apprehended that the lunch which it was usual to give at elections for the University of Cambridge to every Voter without reference to the party he had polled for, would, if the clause were agreed to, render even dignitaries of the Church liable to be tried for misdemeanor. He therefore appealed to the noble Lord not to proceed further with a clause that would only render them ridiculous. MR. HEADLAM said, that the refreshment question ought to be settled, or otherwise the Bill would be construed to sanction unlimited "reasonable " expenses. MR. HENLEY said, the effect of the clause would render penal the hospitality of one friend who invited another to breakfast with him on the way of election. LORD JOHN RUSSELL said, he ne boroughs, and to the sheriff clerk in Scotland, and shall deliver over to the respectively the balance of all moneys, all vouchers in his hands, and shall all be inspected by any person on paym shilling, and shall furnish copies of th any part thereof, on the payment of a rate of one shilling for every 200 wo any vouchers appertaining personall self." The clause was agreed to. The House resumed; Bill re amended. The House adjourned at half o'clock, till Monday next. HOUSE OF LORD Monday, July 24, 1854 MINUTES.] PUBLIC. BILLS.-1a Boro Sale of Beer, &c.; Reformatory Sel land); Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction; Trade Exemption; Inclosure, &c. Common, &c., Rights (Ordnance) Societies (No. 2); Spirits (Ireland beyond the Metropolis; Admiralty C Revenues of the Crown (Ireland); (Public Health Act); Education in Towns. 2a Public Libraries; Parochial Sch (Scotland); Registration of Births, land); Youthful Offenders; Usury peal; Returning Officers; Turnpik tinuance, &c.; Convict Prisons (Irel Trials (Scotland); Indian Appoint Real Estate Charges; Royal Milita Poor Law Commission Continuance Heritable Securities (Scotland); Na lery, &c. (Dublin). m; Sheriff and Sheriff otland); Joint Stock ne and Outrage (Ire MESSAGE. or the consideration GE read. upon similar nue and Consolidated | Lords, it is intended for these reasons- git expedient to proxpense which may arise in which Her Majesty ne Emperor of Russia, the House of Lords for Measures as may be ision accordingly." DEEN: My Lords, s of thanks to Her gracious Message, assurance that this Her Majesty's desire, ious Message, I do ction on the part of Lords, whatever may Dinion on the subject we are engaged and o it, I shall assume e agreement of opiof adopting all such alculated to lead to I termination of it. o assume that this e produced by the the efforts of Engthe concurrence of y Lords, it is to be present period of the existing Session of ong delayed. It is at in the course of may arise of which est importance that vail ourselves and to prosecution of those lead to the happy To the expect that, in admi which have been so li confidence placed by disposal of the Gov jesty's Ministers, whi ciency of the military forgetful of economy things, they will carry economy into all thos which have no conn and in which economy sibility impair our eff but may most materi financial efficiency, a without burdening th this war to a satisfact Lords, I know that a pies men's minds that so much as they shou civil departments of t while there really exist for an increase of exp departments unconnec nevertheless does incre consequence of want and thight being app to me to be more espe Doble Friend at the ment himself to look great important charg minute details of ex civil department of th effect a general strict tisfy the people that isapplied, and that villingly is applied sag the furtherance of I could not allow this out saying thus muc pressed on my mind economy at the comm which no man can for I am sure it is nece ment to the people, carry the people with culties now before us THE EARL OF H tainly, my Lords, the of greater importan now before us-that to Her Majesty in requiring our conc sum of money nec THE EARL OF ELLENBOROUGH: My Lords, I think that this is not a convenient opportunity for entering into details connected either with the diplomatic or military transactions of the war. Motion that has been made by the noble Earl I certainly can have no objection. We are engaged in a war that is just, necessary, and politic, and I, least of all men, can have any objection to the Motion, as I think that these measures should have been proposed last year at this time, and that, if this had been done, it would have afforded the only possible chance of successfully terminating the negotiations in which we were then engaged, by showing that it was the intention of this country to support by war the representations we made in diplomacy. This only I will ave referred. My venture to say-I think we have a right to the war. no The Aberdeen) has stat Some noble Lords wish to see the cha hands, but that he loyalty we bear to necessities of the expect that, in administering those funds | willingly deliver into the hands which have been so liberally and with such vernment the control of the f confidence placed by Parliament at the sary for carrying on that war disposal of the Government, Her Ma- and efficiency. For my own jesty's Ministers, while consulting the effi- fectly agree with the noble Ea ciency of the military service, will not be necessities of the Crown warra forgetful of economy; and that, above all mand upon our confidence, an things, they will carry the most searching shall most readily concur in pla economy into all those civil departments hands those powers for whic which have no connection with the war, There can be no question, my and in which economy cannot by any pos- in any ordinary case of this son sibility impair our efficiency in the field, fairly claim to enter into a dis but may most materially conduce to our the general question and obje financial efficiency, and may enable us, war; but in the present insta without burdening the people, to conduct ready to admit there are difficu this war to a satisfactory conclusion. My way. First of all, we are kept Lords, I know that a great war so occu-ignorance of the plan upon whi pies men's minds that they do not attend is to be carried on. We see g so much as they should to economy in the tions in the Baltic and the Bl civil departments of the State, and, that great efforts ably conducted b while there really exists no reason whatever vernment-by that I mean we for an increase of expenditure in the civil naval force in the Baltic and departments unconnected with the war, it force in the Black Sea-and we nevertheless does increase more largely in ported to the shores of the consequence of want of due consideration larger army than this country and thought being applied to it. It seems brought together for many a day to me to be more especially the duty of my great preparations for the war, b noble Friend at the head of the Govern- is intended to be done we know ment himself to look not merely to the and, therefore, to comment upon great important charges, but into the most tions of the war would be most in minute details of expenditure of every seeing that it would be impossibl civil department of the State, in order to with justice. I will, therefore effect a general strict economy, and to sa- myself with saying that I hope tisfy the people that no money has been my noble Friend, by means of the misapplied, and that what the people give which have been so liberally place willingly is applied sagaciously and honestly liament in the hands of the Go to the furtherance of the public service. will be enabled, by God's Provi I could not allow this Motion to pass with- conduct this war to a happy issue. out saying thus much. It is deeply im- Government must at the same ti pressed on my mind, this necessity for mind that they are in this peculia economy at the commencement of a war of -that by means of the extra which no man can foresee the termination. large force they have at their d I am sure it is necessary to give content- the various parts of the world w ment to the people, and to enable us to operations are being conducted carry the people with us through the diffi- raised the hopes and expectatio culties now before us. THE EARL OF HARDWICKE: Cer-if the season during which opera people of this country to such a p tainly, my Lords, there can be no question practicable should pass away wit of greater importance than that we have great deed of arms being acco now before us-that of voting an Address equal to the expectations which t to Her Majesty in answer to the Message and forces employed have raise requiring our concurrence in voting the great responsibility will rest upo sum of money necessary for carrying on vernment. For myself and r the war. The noble Earl (the Earl of Friends who act with me, conc Aberdeen) has stated that there may be we do in the necessity of arming some noble Lords in this House who may vernment with all the powers nece wish to see the charge of this war in other carrying on the war with vig hands, but that he feels assured, from the bringing it to a happy issue, we sh loyalty we bear to the Throne and the cordial support to the noble Earl's necessities of the Crown, that we should EARL FITZWILLIAM: My strongly than I feel upon the subject- n to make a few re- LORD BROUGHAM: The noble Earl THE EARL OF ABERDEEN: It is totally a mistake. I said nothing of the sort, and I made no reference whatever to any other Powers with respect to peace. I spoke entirely with respect to war. is it by an analogous it is possible or proba such as will secure, foresight can secure from being at the n Russia. That is the must have in view; of is this-that we other Powers to cons bjects would be suf taining what app great object we oug I can easily conceive which would be perf abandonment of the ties, and the placing position free to oth undoubtedly this mu sufficient for the ob Austria may free W from the presence the mouths of the 1 to Austrian comm have been done to integrity and indepe empire. And, whi tegrity of the Otto certainly like to k think I shall obta should like to know tion which Her Ma upon the expression Ottoman empire? the maintenance of |