N said, the architect | Lordship, in a despatch dated May 30, gentleman who super- 1853, said, that the fourth condition was a seed of future difficulty, and that it opened a source of much possible conflict between the Legation and General Lersundi's department, and concluded with these words" Perhaps I shall have octish Protestant Ceme- casion to try this question. Under such n of the embassy house. then were very imperman was not responsihe spot. circumstances, he (Mr. Wise) considered it D WISE expressed an somewhat injudicious to establish a cemete required some expla- tery that had been opposed and delayed so as the conditions dis- long, and that even now was permitted to published correspond- be inclosed on such unusual conditions. which alone the Spa- It appeared that this question had been would consent to this more or less before the public for nearly ablished, were most un-half a century, and as long ago as the d been justly described year 1796 a piece of land, intended to be tent with the liberal appropriated for cemetery purposes, had He thought, also, if no been purchased by the Marquess of Bute. ence had taken place, He held in his hand an original document ent would lay the foun- belonging to the noble Lord the Member erstanding, and would for Marylebone, which was of some interwith the Spanish peo-est, and with the permission of the Come facts? In 1851, the mittee he would read it. It was from ›res, and in 1853, Ge- Lord Bute to Lord Grenville, and dated nted permission for the Madrid, 21st October, 1796e place known by the ura, at a short distance n Damaso, of a ceme= British subjects, who d, under the following o be constructed with subrules required. pel, nor any other sign of a or private worship, will be could give any indication of y divine service whatsoever nce of the dead bodies to sort of pomp or publicity being submitted to the en Secretary of State that noble Lord very his regret that the perpanied by conditions so tem of religious intolef the Spanish Governwho professed the Proich formed so striking contrast with the libesystem of perfect rehich prevailed in the towards the professors holic faith. This took nothing more was done hen he found that very s used by Lord Hownister at Madrid. His "MY LORD,-Having succeeded in purchasing a piece of ground under your Lordship's authority and the permission of the Prince de la Paz, to be converted into a burying ground for Protestants, I requested of the Prince to favour me with some assurance that it might, notwithstanding the war, be considered as still appropriated to that purpose, and I now inclose his answer, which is very satisfactory. I at the same time beg to apprise you, that I have drawn a bill upon your Lordship, payable to Messrs. Coutts, for the amount, being 95l. 16s. 8d." Land, it appeared, had not risen in value at and near Madrid, for in 1846 the noble Viscount below had sanctioned the exchange of this land with the widow of Don Maroto, for some land of equal value, and of the same size, two acres and a quarter, or three Spanish fanegas, at 30%. a fanega. Now according to the estimate, all that had to be done was to build a gateway, and to erect a wall round this cemetery, and he could not see why Parliament should be called upon to vote so large a sum as 1,400l. for such a purpose. Lord Palmerston, in 1850, had asked for a return of the number of British subjects who had died within a given period at Madrid, and had pointed out to Lord Howden that upon the facts disclosed by that return must depend the question as to whether the Government would be justified in expending any very large sum of money in establishing a cemetery there. Lord Howden at that time, in answer to Lord Pal merston's requ thority of Mr. British subject from the year 1 teen to twentyAnd it appear least, the inter to take place i He could not u testant powers and Holland, an whose subjects Great Britain, t port unitedly a could he concei have sent out a tation and expe superintend so erection of a wa such a course seemed to him pend the public this description upon the Estima to direct attent by thousands, a merston's request, had stated, on the au- MR. J. WILSON said, since the date Howden had succeeded in obtaining which were considered extremely s tory, and in removing all the ob which had been thought to stand way of adopting the earlier prop The hon. Gentleman would recolle about a year ago there was a perfec of indignation upon the subject, an the strongest possible feeling ran t the metropolitan press and the pr the country generally with respect way in which Protestants were trea the Spanish Government, in refere their burial-ground. The public especially shocked by a statemen the body of an Englishman had be up for the purpose of robbing it clothes and other articles of trifling which were upon it. And it was und pressure of these circumstances, and strong feeling of indignation whic excited by them, that a renewed effo been made, which had resulted, as said, in the obtaining of terms which considered satisfactory, and in secu piece of land in the only place neighbourhood of the city of Mad which it could have been procure such a purpose. The Consul G upon the spot had endeavoured to i the British residents to subscribe portion of the expense; but they few in number, and in a compara humble position in life, and it would fore have been utterly impractical obtain from them any considerable It therefore became a question wh the British Government should not steps to remove the flagrant abuse had been made a matter of charge a every person concerned in the ad tration of British affairs in Spain. Government had felt it its duty to such steps, and to take advantage o opportunity which had presented its putting an end to this state of things the proposition which had been sub to the Treasury, for inclosing the g and adapting it to its intended pur had been forwarded by them to the of Works, the Chief Commissioner of his right hon. Friend near him, wou was sure, give an explanation with re to the way in which it could be carried which ought, he considered, to be sat tory to the Committee. MR. APSLEY PELLATT: As t consecration ? MR. J. WILSON said, the cem would be consecrated by a Prote pply {COMMONS} Miscellaneous Estimates. 1032 gements had been made which those invaluable works of art have so grievously suffered, would have been in great measure prevented; for it is truly mortifying to reflect that, though the church was exposed during the great rebellion to the insults of the soldiery, who were at one time quartered within its walls, and though there was actually an order of Parliament (happily never obeyed) for melting down the bronze, these monuments actually suffered infinitely less during that turbulent time, than in the enlightened period intervening between the middle of the last century and our own day, and that their greatest spoliation has been suffered at the hands of that intelligent public, who, one would have imagined, would have been the guar be open to all British MOLESWORTH said, ed to the Board of Works were so unsatisfactory, were so uncertain, that that the cheapest and t mode of having the as to send out a compeerintend them. He had Albano that he should perintend the work, and not exceeding 300l.; and much better plan than agency. -oyal Monuments, West dians, rather than the pilferers, of our national If, therefore, no fee were to be levied on said, that he highly apct of the Vote. He benuments of Edward the vard I., of Philippa, and e, would be exceedingly ut he hoped the Governsteps to secure the free ublic to these monuments, restored by their money. Westminster Abbey had m a discriminating duty = 6d. each person. The is fee was, that it went ment of the persons who ments. St. Paul's was Westminster Abbey. He nment should not lose the y of securing free access ee the monuments which heir cost. MR. MONCKTON MILNES said, he And was very glad to perceive that the general feeling of the Committee went with the Report, which was in his opinion drawn up with great skill and judgment. He was afraid, however, that his hon. Friend (Mr. Ewart) would be disappointed if he thought that for the sum of 2,500l. all the monuments in the Abbey would be restored to their pristine state. Neither did he (Mr. M. Milnes) think it desirable that they should be restored to that state. what he most admired in the Report was the clear line which Mr. Scott had drawn between an intelligent preservation and a mere attempt at renewal. The claim of Westminster Abbey upon Parliament rested above all upon the fact of its being the mausoleum of their great men. When the poet Campbell died some years ago-that poet who wrote " The Mariners of Engents have suffered fully as land," which was so applicable to the fleet as from decay, it is of the in the Baltic-his remains were accomthat the vigilant watch kept panied to the grave by a pompous funeral The Earl of Aberdeen was Eem been adopted a century procession. I MOLESWORTH said, rected his attention to the nquired why any fee was d been told that its obe for the payment of the employed in showing the was important that no permitted to go round ended by people by whom refully watched, the fact monuments had suffered he petty pilferings of the during the whole of the ng from decay. Mr. - Report, referred to the owing terms t in any degree be relaxed. pilfering and robbery, from one of the pall-bearers, and men high in on station did honou was afterwards r things of that kin the recommendat months ago sever ological Society, Scott, examined they were unani many of the cha proposed were no historical or in a In particular these historical monume a great part of th extent old portion new ones substitu therefore, the Go assurance that gr ercised in the mat MR. BRADY sa see such a splendi ster Abbey decayi thought the Dean blamed for allowin ther money was ments the erectio and been almost t the appearance of t of the interior of the right hon. E station did honour to the dead. A statue was afterwards raised by public subscription—a statue quite worthy of the man. Why had it not been placed in the abbey? Why, simply because the Dean and Chapter of Westminster asked the enormous fee of 2001. for a few square feet of space. If the Dean and Chapter did not provide places for public statues, it could not be the interest or the duty of Parliament to spend the national money in the preservation or restoration of the building. He did hope that the Government would interfere in the matter, and that the result would be that this great scandal would be removed. As a Churchman, he felt that things of that kind did much to injure the higher order of the clergy. MR. J. BALL said, he believed that amongst competent judges who had considered the subject, there were very great doubts as to the expediency of adopting all the recommendations of Mr. Scott. Some months ago several members of the Archeological Society, on the invitation of Mr. Scott, examined many of the objects, and they were unanimously of opinion that many of the changes which Mr. Scott proposed were not desirable, either in an historical or in an artistic point of view. In particular these gentlemen thought that historical monuments like those would lose a great part of their interest if to any great extent old portions were taken away, and new ones substituted for them. He hoped, therefore, the Government would give an assurance that great caution would be ex ercised in the matter. MR. BRADY said, it was melancholy to see such a splendid structure as Westminster Abbey decaying day by day, and he thought the Dean and Chapter greatly to be blamed for allowing it. He doubted whether money was well bestowed on monuments the erection of which had defaced and been almost the means of destroying the appearance of the beautiful architecture of the interior of the abbey. He objected to the erection of statues in ecclesiastical buildings, although he thought a proper place should be provided in which the country should do honour to those who had served it well. It was a disgrace that the people were not permitted to go freely through this building, and he hoped that the right hon. Baronet (Sir W. Molesworth) would endeavour to make some arrangement with the Dean and Chapter to effect that object, failing which he considered he would be justified in coming down to the House and asking for a Vote f purpose. SIR WILLIAM MOLESWORTH he wished to remind hon. Members the greater part of the abbey, namel nave, the choir, and the transept, already open to the public without charge; and the only reason why th was not placed in the same position that which he had stated, namely, was necessary to prevent them from pilfered. If the hon. Member for C (Mr. J. Ball) would read the Report fully, he would see that the only obj Mr. Scott was to prevent the monu from receiving injury from the proc decay which was continually going With regard to the matter referred the hon. Member for Pontefract (M Milnes)—the monument to the poet bell-all he could say was, that he immediately enter into communicatio the subject with the Dean and Chap Westminster, and he had no doubt when he had stated to them the wi the House, they would be willing to co with it. MR. W. WILLIAMS said, he h that any money voted would be app ated to the preservation of the monum or the payment of persons to take ca them, and would not go into the pock the Dean and Chapter. SIR JOHN SHELLEY said, he called upon to complain of the violer tack made in the Report on the p by attributing the mutilation of the numents to their pilfering. He tho if confidence were shown in the publ would not be violated, as instanced in case of the Great Exhibition of 1851. other cases. It was an entire mistal suppose, if they allowed the people t into places in which were works of they ought to be watched like a paro pickpockets. He thought, if the Dean Chapter considered it was so great sponsibility to protect the monuments mitted to their charge, it would be to withdraw that responsibility from hands and vest it in the Government, the public might be freely admitted. Vote agreed to. (4.) 1,000l., Statue of King Charle Charing Cross. SIR JOHN SHELLEY said, he sh like to know how it came that so lar sum was required? SIR WILLIAM MOLESWORTH he had to state, in reply to his hon. Fri oply {COMMONS} Miscellaneous Estimates. 1036 year, an application hav-been the constitutional predilections or prejudices of that Monarch, we are certainly indebted to him for something more than the statue which the right hon. Gentleman wisely advises us to preserve. Let me recal to the remembrance of the Committee that the statue once disappeared in consequence-not of a Vote-of the temper of the House of Commons, and was lost for a considerable period. When lost, it was universally agreed that the finest model of equestrian sculpture known in modern times was lost to the country. I think, after all that occurred in Parliament at that timehaving regained this chef-d'œuvre of Le Sueur-it would not become the Committee, by its refusal of such a Vote, to endanger the permanent preservation of such a work of art. m by the Crystal Palace a cast of the statue to be lication having been acn opportunity of visiting erving certain defects in e of what he saw he emI Westmacott to examine xe a report. That genat it was in a very bad that the horse was frac-that the bridle, sword, more-that the tail was e weather having peneort, he (Sir W. Moles the statue could not be d for less than the sum was evidently in a very and unless the Committee - one of the finest statues Fall to pieces, they should RD WISE said, he did Committee should be so us to restore the statue s more celebrated for his rights than the enhanceliberties. He, however, t it was a masterpiece of t was the first equestrian in this country. It was, Le Sueur's masterpieces, interest was attached to the fact that it was sold a brazier, with orders to The brazier, however, way, and sold some old o the enthusiastic cavaliers gh prices. The Earl of e Restoration, discovered ts re-erection. He (Mr. derable doubt whether a ld look well, and harmoue. The present pedes of Grinling Gibbon, and s not in such a ruinous ed by the First Commismpathised much with the toration of the monument the Confessor, King Edand Queen Elizabeth; but ould only assent as a lover that ground he should be estored, but he considered Ol. too large to be devoted LI: Sir, I rather wonder ember, as a lover of the el more regard for the meI. Whatever may have lesworth Vote agreed to. (5.) 13,000l., Agricultural Statistics. LORD WILLIAM GRAHAM said, he wished to know in what counties the collection of statistics had been made? MR. CARDWELL said, Norfolk, Suffolk, Hampshire, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, and the West Riding of Yorkshire. MR. CAYLEY said, he wished to know why the survey was not to extend to the other counties of England? MR. CARDWELL said, the experiment would next year be made in eleven counties, some of them very large counties. When the experiment was first made, great difficulties were experienced; but those difficulties had been removed by judicious conduct. The Government, however, did not think it proper to ask a Vote for the whole kingdom until it had made an extended trial of the plan. MR. EVELYN DENISON asked, whether it was intended in the English returns to give the estimated produce, as in Scotland? MR. CARDWELL said, from the first it had been determined to keep matters of fact, such as the quantity of stock, acreage, &c., distinct from matters of opinion, such as estimates of produce. In the Scotch returns, both matters of fact and of opinion were stated, and he was informed that those opinions had been generally regarded as correct and satisfactory. In England, where the experiment was surrounded by greater difficulty, it was intended that those inspectors who opened new grounds should confine themselves to matters of fact, but that Sir John Walsham and Mr. Hawley, in the counties with which t nected, should as well as to MR. CAYL factory if the state (what he the agricultur stacle to the c Mr. CARD fair to make whole, unfavou the agricultura time, it would had not been position. Mo ever, had prev influence of me there was eve work would ul COLONEL D it was intende quantity of e though it wa had been pro approved of t statistics had it expedient early as possi collected as la Vote agreed (6.) 6,0007. ber. LORD HOT for repairing must complain increased in m the difficulty Government ag country. The tended to, and tory. He hop aster somebod authority to gi SIR JAMES tion had arisen and the Admir full considerati conclusion that sist on the Tr matter. Atter given to it, an rection of the Humber. He Lord that this close and const might be done Ilumber had act under the would be desi to give his co |