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clearly to see, the manner in which they shall best discharge our duty towards have been and still are treated. We are you, and also our duty towards all the not yet got to that pass when the Minis- industrious classes of the kingdom. We ters can completely set at nought public shall not think it our duty to take a opinion. We may, perhaps, arrive at part, either in speaking or in voting that pitch ; but we are not arrived at upon little insignificant motions for the that pitch yet. Whether public opinion lopping off of a few thousand pounds, will have its weight in this case I know or for the discharging of a few thousand

but I know well that I shall leave soldiers, or for the shifting of taxation, nothing undone that I am able to do Such motions only serve to give coun, in order to make the people see this tenance to the system. To waste our matter in its true light; and, if, when time in this way, or rather, to employ I have thus performed my duty, the it for mischievous purposes, is what we people choose still to reject my advice shall not do. We shall not be able to and to choose what are called gentlemen cause the system to be changed all at instead of men in the middle rank of once, according to our wishes, in a life, all that I can say is, that the peo- peaceable manner ; but, at any rate, we ple will merit that which they will have can try; and, we shall do this; we to suffer. I have begun with the stamp shall lay down the principles upon and auction duties. I have given notice which the change of system ought to that I shall revive that subject on the take place. Little nibblings and, 1. of April, and shall propose that the carpings only, serve to inculcate an House take the matter into its consider- opinion, . only serve to inculcate ation on the 16. of April. When I the notion, that, generally speakbrought this matter forward before, I ing, the system is good, and that the was told that I took the House by sur- lopping off of a trifling sum here and prise. It ought not to have been mat- there, ought to satisfy the people. Now, ter of surprise with the four hundred we are of a different opinion; and, old members ; for I did nothing but therefore, we shall not waste our time describe the contents of acts of Parlia- in any such proceeding; and we shall ment which they themselves had as- be perfectly regardless in the efforts sisted to pass, or assisted to keep in which we shall make, about majorities force. However, I did not then press and minorities. The matter must, at my motion to a division, because I last,, rest with the people, and it is wished to leave the Ministers no excuse our duty to exhort them to examine all on the ground of unpreparedness. I these matters with great care; not to be have since put the matter off that it biassed by us against their own clear might not come athwart the proceed- judgments, and not to stand by us ua-. ings with regard to the Irish red-coat less they think it their duty to themcourts of justice bill. I shall have no selves and their country so to do. regard at all to majorities or minorities. I beg to point out to you a very maI shall wish that the House may adopt terial change which has been adopted by my motion : and agree to rectify the this Whig set of servants of the King. law, but, as far as I myself am concern- The custom formerly was to bring fored, I shall be quite content to be in a ward what is called the budget, at a per minority consisting of only myself and riod previous to the bringing forward my colleague. I will proceed in the the estimates ; so that then the House same manner with regard to the expendi- saw what taxes were intended to be imture of the navy, the army, the ordnance, posed or to be kept on, before the dethe pensions, the sinecures, and every mand was made upon them for other head of expenditure, being al- for the navy, army, and so forth; and ways quite regardless, as far as relates the House could then determine whether to myself, whether the House shall re- they would keep such taxes on or not ; ject or shall adopt my propositions. and, according to that determination, By thus proceeding, I and my colleague the Ministers had to frame their de

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mands for money. The Whigs have rer ESTIMATED EXPENDITURE, versed this practice: they come and get

From Christmas 1832 to Christmas 1833. the money voted first: when you ask them

£. d. to reduce the taxes, they say: Stop

Officers' Salaries, of the old Es-
tablishment ...

2710 0 0 till

you hear our budget;" and, if you Ditto, for extra Services . 1950 0 0 then ask them to reduce the taxes, they Wages, Board Wages, and extra

Pay of Attendauts & Servants 3700 0 0 tell you that they cannot; for that you salaries of the Librariaps and have already voted as much money us

Attendants for the King's Li-
brary.

948 0 0 will require all the taces. And they officers' Salaries of the Banksian will be perfectly consistent, while those

Library and Collections...... 50000

Attendants on Stoves, ..... 120 00 who have voted the money will be as Rent and Taxes....

360 0 0 perfectly and ridiculously inconsistent. Bookbiudiog, Biuding of MSS.

and Portfolios..

800 00 Yet, notwithstanding the evident incon- Stationary

200 0 0

550 sistency in which those who have voted Coals, Coke and Fagots

Candles, and Gas Light Com." the money will be involved; they have

pany....

100 0 0 voted it without the smallest hesitation. Incidents for sundry Articles of

domestic use, After this general account of the pro

Freightof Pack

250 0 0 ceedings of this reformed House of Repairs, fitting, up of Shelves, Commons," let me give you a particular

&c., uut paid by the Board of
Works..

400 0 0 instance of the manner in which your

Purchases in Natural History,

and preserving the same.... 930 0 0 money is expended, and in which the Cabinets for Coins....

50 voting of ii is carried on. There is

Purchase of Coins, Medals and
Antiquities

1000 0 0 thing called the “ BRITISH MU- Drawings from the Athenian SEUM." There is a great building Marbless fra

130 0 0 ditto...

350 0 0 somewhere in London, for the keeping Priuting Bescription of Athenian and showing of books, prints, and cu

200 0 0 riosities. This affair; which is solely Parchase of Prints..

Purchase of Books and of MSS. 2000 0 0

100 0 0 for the pleasure of the rich, and other. Continuation of Classed Catapersons of leisure, is to cost you and the Printing Catalogue of MSS...

logue.

360 0 0

300 0 0 rest of the people, sixteen thousand

Law Expenses :

180 0 0 eight hundred and forty-four pounds for Treasury aud Exchequer Stamps

for Parliamentary Grant...

3 2 6 this one year, beginning last Christmas.. You will see what the thing is by the

18211 2 6 following paper upon which the vote Estimate for the Fifth Quarter.. 4552 15 7 took place. I beg you to look well at

General Total....... 22763 18 1 it, and then to ask yourselves whether Deduct the Sum before specia your malt, hops, soap, tea, sugar, to- tied under No. III..... 5920 16 0 bacco, paper, newspapers, advertisements, cotton, wool, and, in short,

16843 2 1 everything that you consume, ought to

Add the fraction of ll." 0 17 11 be taxed for such a purpose : ask your.

£16844 0 0 selves what interest you can have in the two thousand pounds a year laid out for the purchase of stuffed birds, quadru- When the vote of this sum of the peds, and insects, and coins, medals, and public money took place it was, I beantiquities. In short, ask yourselves of lieve, long after midnight. what use any part of the whole thing brought forward by one of the BARINGS, can be to the industrious classes of this who is now member for Essex. It apkingdom.

pears to have been agreed to without

Marbles....

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any opposition whatever. The next to inquire into the propriety of taking night the report of the grant was brought off certain taxes,anu layingun a propertyup ; :I opposed it upon the ground that tax in their place. During the debate, a it was just so much money taken from graduated property tax bad been menthe industrious classes to afford amuse- tioned ; and Lord Althorp had, in the ment for the rich and idle persons assem- course of his speech, observed that a bled in this great town, who, if they graduated property-tax would be very wanted amusements, ought to purchase wicked, because it would lay a heavier them for themselves. Lord ALTHORP, tax on the landowners than on the rest under whose sway hundreds of men of the community in proportion to the have been put into jail for selling cheap amount of their property ; he had also publications, answered me by saying observed, that though taxes were not that I was an enemy to alt education; immediately laid upon the poor, or and Mr. WARBURTON said that the Mu- working people, a property-tax would seum was as advantageous to the poor affect the working-people. This having as it was to the rich, and that it was been said, I very shortly stated, that I particularly useful to our manufacturers! should vote for Mr. Robinson's motion, Mr. FIELDEN, neither of us expecting not because I approved of a property the thing to come on so early, bud step- tax in any'shape, but because he proped out of the House to write some let- posed to take off the malt, hop, and ters; so that there was nobody lo second soap-tax. " But," said I, “I was par. the motion, though the House was very * ticularly happy to bear 'the noble full; and though two speeches were Lord say

that a tax laid upon em: madle against it, in answer to my objec- ployers found its way to the poor, or tions ! This was curious enough ; and “ working people, by taking from the now, in the report of the day's proceed-" 'tradesmen and others the means of ings, the motion which I made for "

which I made for "giving employment. I was extremely recommitting the report, is wholly happy to hear him say this ; because, unnoticed, as it ought to be; be-1" when I brought forward the affair of cause not seconded.

This is a very

" the stamp-luties, he met me by ascurious affair, even in this point of " serting, three times over,' that the view: full as great a curiosity as any poor paid none of them, and that, in the Museum. If Mr. Freden had," therefore, they did not affect the poor. been present I would have thivided the "Now, since the noble Lord saw tbat Hause ;, and then we should have seen the property-tax did affect the poor, how many of these reform members, “' he would, doubtless, allow, that the there were against taxing the farmers" stamp-laxes affect the poor also ; and, and tradesmen and working people to "I congratulate myself upon ihe pros: furnish a place for lounging and amuse- pect of having him for an able alty ment fur che rich. However, we will " in my approaching combat with the see this yet. I have given notice of a “hon. Member for Cambridge, M. motion relative to this Museum ; that is,“ Spring Rice; especially as the nob:e to say, for a return of the persons em- " Lord had now protested against the ployed about it, giving their names and" injustice of graduated facutior ; for, other particulars. If they give me the " that was the very thing of wlich I return, I shall be able to show the people, " complained in the case of the stamp. the nature of this affair very fully : if taxes. A graduated property-tar they do not, I shall do as well as I can * would be neither more nor less than without it; but, at any rate, I will make confiscation ; but, then apply this a motion for the rescinding of this vote" principle to the stainp-taxes, where of money, not one farthing of which we find confiscation epormous; fur, ought to be paid by the people. "" certainly, the noble Lord will not af

On Tuesday night Mr. ROBINSON,"fect to believe, that, to tax the tradesmember for Worcester, after a very able " man* heavier in proportion to his speech, made a motion for a committee" means than you tax the Lorit, is LESS

"an act of confiscation than to tax the if there be to be any at all; and not a “Lord in proportion to his means taxation that would confiscate the pro" heavier than you tax the tradesman." perty of the rich ; being of opinion that

I have not seen this well reported in such a system of taxation would be imany newspaper; and in the Morning politic as well as unjust. However, if Clermiele, which ought to be called the my opinions in this respect be called in red-coat government journul, or the question again in the same sort of way, útorking man's fue, in this paper hardly I shall have opportunities enough of a word of this is given. Mr. Hume answering any one who shall express took occasion to express his surprise to surprise at my conduct. hear me opposed to a graduated pro- So much for that affair, just observing perty-tax ; surprise which might be that Mr. ROBINSON disided the House very natural in him, as far as I know, upon his. motion, and lost it by a mama but unnatural in any man that has ever jority of 221 against 155. And now ito read my writings, or listened to my another matter. On Wednesday the 27., voice; for when was I ever heard to Mr. Gaskell, member for Wakefield, in propose any measure for taking away Yorkshire, presented a petition from the estates of the land-owners, or seiz- that town, agreed to at a great public ing upon the wealth of merchants and meeting, and having presented it, said manufacturers and rich tradesmen ? that he cordially agreed with the petiwhen came 'these from my pen or my tioners, disapproving, as they did, of tongue, or any scheme so unjust and the Irish red-coat-court of justice bill. so wicked, as that of bringing all ranks The petition having been presented, Lord in society to a level? anything so impus. MORPET A rose with a paper in his hand; sible, too, as well as so impolitic? A which he said contained a protest against graduated property-tax means making the petition from the most respectable a man, who has a thousand acres of people in that town; and said that it land, not pay a thousand times as much was very disagreeable to him to find it as he who has one acre of land; but, his duty thus to have to oppose the according to the fancy of the taxer, petitions of his constituents ; but that makes him pay more for the second he was bound to say that this protest acre than the first, and so on to the contained the most respectable names thousandth acre, which, as every man of the town from which it came. Wakemust see, would be a complete.confis- field is in the West Riding of Yorkshire, cation of his estate. In trading, manu- of which his Lardship and Mr. STRICKfacturing, and mercantile concerns, such Land are the two representatives. After a tax would be still more unjust and his Lordship, I rose and said ; more pernicious; it would mark out the "not help deeming the noble Lord par industrious and the skilfulas its victims; ticularly unfortunate in his corresponda it would mark out the idle, the stupid, ences relative to the petitions of his the prodigal, as the characters destined “constituents. Some time ago a peti to be happy; and yet Mr. Hume heard " tion, amongst the most respectably with “

surprise" my opposition to a "signed that ever came before that tax like this. What I contend for is “ House, was presented from Todmor. fair and equal taxation, if any be neces- " den and divers parishes in the West sary. My complaint is, that the lord" Riding of Yorkshire, in the neighescapes legacy and probate-duty both; " buurhood of Todmorden. The noble my complaint is, that the poor pay a “ Lord then also-pulled a letter out of hundred and twenty per cent tax upon his pocket, speaking in disparagement their soap, while the rich pay only " of the putitioners, and of the manner seventy-five; my complaint is, that the “ in which the petition had been got working people pay two hundred per “up. My hon. Colleague, who was cent. upon their beer, while the rich" then present, and who happened to do not pay above twenty-five per cent. “ be a resident of Todmorden itself, exupon theid wine. I want fair taxation, pressed a wish to see the petition,

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“ which, upon inspection, he found to attempt to do something with this pro"be signed by almost every proprietor test, the writer begged that Mr: FIELDEN "S of land or house in the district; by or Mr. COBBETT would be ready with

most of the great employers of the this statement of facts to reply to the

district, amongst whom were two of noble Lord, who might naturally enough “ his own brothers, who live on the lattempt to bolster up himself and his

spot. The noble Lord, then, pressed friends by the aid of this precious docu" by my hon. Colleague, thought him- ment: that we might use the name of “self bound to produce his authority; the writer : that the public voice was'as" "my hon. Colleague found that this unequivocal as the miserable attempts

authority was a small attorney of the to · Burke" it: that Baines, 'in his " district, who, having the honour of Mercury, endeavours to sink the meet" a letter from the noble Lord, had too ing out of sight : but that the people of 4 much vanity not to show it about, the West Riding know well enough,

and hence my hon. Colleague had that what is to-day proposed for the “ been apprized of what was going on. Irish, may be to-niorrow applied to “Upon this occasion also, my hon. and themselves.

diligent Colleague has been furnished Having read the letter, only leaving “ with a letter from Wakefield where out the names of third parties, I said, “ with to meet this protest of the noble " that is my answer to the noble Lord “Lord; and my hon Colleague being " on the part of the petitioners of Wake“called away by his duty in a con- “ field.”. These circumstances, thas re“ mittee, has thought it right to conimit lated, let the people behind the curtain. " that letter to my care, which letter I I will not suggest to the people of the “ will now read' to the House, and West Riding of Yorkshire what it will “ what is inore, I shall add the name of become them to do in consequence o the writer,

these transactions. They will know I then read the letter, dated Sandal, well, what to do; and they will feel 19. March, 1833; and signed Josept how much they owe to Captain Wood Wood. The letter stated that the Whig in this case. Indeed, the whole country and Tory faction of Wakefield had owes a good deal to him : it is an exunited, and had got up a protest signed ample worthy of being followed : one by about 140; that one of those who exposure of this sort is worth a score of had signed it had told the writer of the petitions ; because it shows the dread letter that he hated the bill as much as which the enemies of our liberties have he did, but that he feared the resigna of the power of the petitions them. tion of Earl Grey more than any other selves :'it shows our eneinies in their ealanaity; that the protest had, as the true light; it unmasks them, and does writer understood, been hawked about good in all sorts of ways. by two attorneys, friends of Lord Mor- I shall here insert the very peta and Mr. STRICKLAND, to prop up speech of my colleague, Nr. Fieldén, whose votes in the House -the writer which was heard with the greatest at suspected to be the object of the pro- tention, and, I may say, the greatest test : that the public meeting was called adıniration. At the close of it a gen. by the constable, in consequence of tlernan of great experience and of extraa requisition, signed by Mr. Waterton, ordinary talent himself, whispered me, of Walton Hall, by the writer himself, and said : “ You are fortunate in a and by other gentlemen, who might lay colleague, Mr. Cobbett: that is the as good a claim at least, to“ respecta very hest speech that I ever heard bility” as the best of the protestors : that" delivered in Parliament; so plain, 80 the meeting was numerously attended, “ clear, not one word too maliy nor and that though some of the protestors “ one word too few."

re present, notone of them opened his The following is a corrected meuth against the petition : that as Lord Mr. Freuden's speech on Mr. Attwood's 'spet

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