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he was prone to argue pro hoe, ergo propter hoc an individual as he was, would construe then But in another point of view, the honourable according to the occasion.; and that; in using and learned Gentleman seemed to reverse the general arguments, their appositeness would argument, and instead of saying that Tenter- be fairly tried. His honourable Friend, the den steeple was the cause of Godwip Sands, member for Lincolu, was too good a scholar took it into his head to suppose that Godwin not to koow that general and abstract argum Sauds were the cause of Tenterden steeple. ments migbt be applied with equal skill by la effect, be seemed to contend that, as there the same individual to one side of a ques were certain local grievances, there should tion, and that equally forcible arguments therefore be a local legislature. Before the might be used by that identical person on the revision of the Welsh judicature in that other side. He had no doubt that the acude. House, they had beard loud and bitter com- mic experience of his bon. Frieud could turplaints of the mischief which in that part of Dish bim with many anecdotes of these peoved ibe empire flowed from the imperfect manner on both sides, of almost any question usually in which justice was administered. But was offered for such, discussions. He would also there any human being irrational enough to be ready to acknowledge that the force con tend that such a state of things, warranted aud value of arguments depended a to a legislative separation ? He had himself, gether upon their appositeness. The same times out out of pumber, complaiped of the speech might certainly be made for Thistlelocal grievances afecting the Duchy of Corn- wood and the Cato-street conspirators on the wall; but would any man gravely assert,on that one hand, and for Russell and Sydney ou the account the county of Cornwall should be the other; but then, could indifferent persons seat of an independent legislative body? The overlook the difference between the two cases ? town which he represented complained, with His hon. Friend must believe as be did, that great justice perhaps-with great earnestness, the whole of the agitation which had been ex-: certainly- of the inconveuience it suffered cited respecting the union was a mere delu. from the peculiar constitution of its corporate sion-the measure fortunately was impossi. budy; but it never entered into the minds of ble, since any approximation to success in the good people of Leeds to seek for a remedy such a case could be nothing less thau ruins according to the preseription of the bun. and to both countries, and to po part of the em. learned Member for Dubliai (Cheers). He pire more completely destructive than to Irena would beg of the House to recall to miod, if land herself. It was beyond all possibility of it had ever made itself acquainted with the dispute, that nine-tenths of the evils of wbich arguments wbich the hon. and learned Mem. Ireland had to complain arose out of misgober used elsewhere, or which, if not used by vernment; but were they therefore tu subinit bim, were certainly urged by other advocates to outrages against all law, and offences of repeal : and they would perceive that not against the first principles of justice? Agri. one of them was inapplicable to a legislative cultural properly had been in many places de separation between the north aud the south of stroyed in England, and inuch of that had Ireland. Between those two parts of that arisen from a long-continued course of mise, island there were all those differences of res government; but was the dignity of the law' ligion, of race, of habits, of civilization, and not therfore to be vindicated, and were the of every distinction on which stress-had been offenders to go unpunished? If the revenue. laid, either by him or his supporters. The laws were faulty, as in many cases they were, honourable and learned Gentleman bad main were smugglers to go unpunished, and rentain tained that however the present executive and at perfect liberty to shoot revenue ufficersirr legislative Governmeut of England might be when and where they thought proper? He disliked, by the Protestants of Ireland, they acknowledged, that from the possible rejections detested the Catholics still more; and of the Reform Bill he had anticipated outrage : that in any case where the conviction of a Ca- and violence; but were the men who burned tholic was desired, they only needed to fill the Bristol therefore, to go unpunished? Out of 1 jury-box with Protestants. Would not that the hou. Member's own mouth would be judge circumstance of itself. be sufficient to warrant him. He told them that things had come to the consistent, but at the same time most ab such a pass, that nothiog less than decisive surd conclusion, that there should be for Ire measures would do ; but at the same time he land herself one House of Assembly sitting in told bis Majesty's Government, that if matters Derry, to give effeet to the sentiments of Pro- arrived at a certain point, he should, however testants; and another establishment in Cork, reluctantly, joiu their ranks and afford them to give effect to Catholic feeling, and the support which the occasion migbt require maintain Catholic interests ? (Cheers). These -then between him and his rhon. Friend it brief remarks, he believed, constituted the was a mere question of time, since upou prin- . best. vindication he could offer for his own ciple they fully agreed; he being prepared in a personal consistency, and the best defence certain imaginable case to do all that the most that he could lay before the House of those zealous supporter of the existing union could passages which had been read from speeches desire. His boa. Friend demanded redress for of his made during the discussion of the Re- the people of Ireland. Could he on such a form Bill. He did hope that the House, in point differ from his hon. Friend? He besiconsidering the sentiments of even so bumble tated not to declare that he should hold office
under do Government which had not pledged order that the Member for Dublin should not itself to a redress of grievances; but they be less than a British subject, and he was had pow not only to redress grievavces, but prepared to encounter equal reproach, oblo. to deal with something worse than civil war-quy, and deprivation, in order to prevent bis they had to deal with a people, where in one ever becoming more. (Loud and long-concounty, in the course of the year, no fewer tinued cheering). He had now the happiness tban sixty murders and attempts at murder and the honour, under a new regime, to were committed, and 600 burglaries. Why represent thousands of coustituents, and that was equal to the sack of three or four be believed he spoke their sentiments on towns. He had no difficulty in declaring that that occasion-sentiments wbich, he had the be should infinitely rather be in the midst of best reason for knowing, were not inconsistent what was called civil war-be should much with his holding office under the present ad. prefer to have been in the line of march of the mioistration ; and he rejoiced to live in an Pretender's army, in the year 1745, when the age and country where the duties of a repreChevalier St. George marched through Car- sentative of the people were not juconsistent lisle or the other towns be entered, than reside with those of a servant of the crown. In the in Ireland under such circumstances, It discharge then, of bis duties in both capaciwas idle to deny that the present condition of ties, he felt perfect satisfaction in giving his Ireland was something worse than civil war. assent to that part of the address which But they were threatened with the universal pledged the House, with the blessing of God, demand of the people of Ireland for repeal. to use every effort for the continuance of that Was that cry more formidable than others union which now happily subsisted between which they had cheerfully encountered ? The this country and Ireland, for supporting the men who had faced the cry of “No Popery !" rights of property, maintaining order, and had nothing to apprehend from any clamour preserving the fabric of society. (Enthusiastic that might be raised in the present times ; cheering). they were aot likely to shrink from the shout Mr. O'CONNELL wished to say a few words of " Repeal.” The time he felt assured would in explanation, to which he would strictly come when Ireland would do justice to her confine himself. The hon. Member who sincere and honest friends; to the men who spoke last bad entirely mistaken his argufor her sake quitted office in the year 1807, ment. · He (Mr. Macaulay) had said, that he and remained shut out from her for twenty (Mr. O'Conuell), after having detailed existyears, that she might receive a full measure ing grievances in Ireland, attributed them to of justice. Those were men not likely to the legislative union; and that he had argued quit under a temporary show of unpopularity, against that union by reason of those grievwbo had encountered its reality for so maoy ances. This was a total misapprehension ; years; who had endured the frowns of the fur he (Mr. O'Connell) had addressed the Court, and the bisses of the multitude; who entire of his speech to that part of the address had foregone power, hovour, and emolument, from the throne which related to the great inwithout even enjoying the compensation of crease of disturbances in Ireland. His argupopularity: those were not the men to be ment was, that property was rendered iosescared from the strict line of duty by any- cure, and insubordination and violence prothing which a temporary and evanescent dis. duced, by the grievances be enumerated ; and content might occasion. (Loud and continued so little had he said of the auion, that he had cheering). Amongst them were those who been actually taunted with having left it out might have obtained not only seats in the of the question. House, but in the Cabinet, were they only Mr. Sheil said there was a practical antiwilling to utter one word against the Catholic thesis, amounting to contradiction, in the claims, and who, rather than utter that little course pursued by the Member for Leeds (Mr. word, encountered the fiercest abuse, and sub. Macaulay); for wbile he enters into a most mitted to the most upsparing censure; and elaborate discussion on the union, wbich he who, ere they would depart from the prin- assumes is unpremeditated, he supports an ciples upon which they took their stand, re- address which recommends the extinction of tired into private life, and relinquished all the all argument, puts an end to debate, strikes views of an honourable ambition, that they Ireland dumb, and claps a padlock on her lips, might not betray the cause in which the hon. though it never can stop the throbbings of her and learned Member for Dublin had so deep an big and indignant heart. (Hear, bear, hear). interest. To promote that interest the indivi- What a strange proceeding on the part of the duals who now formed the administration of Member for Leeds-to discuss the question Lord Grey, incurred the disapprobation and the himself, and to deoy eight millions the right hostility which excluded them from office for to entertain it-to recommend the suspension a quarter of a century, and that for the pur- of the Habeas Corpus Act, in order to commit pose of placing the hon. and learned Member all argument in Ireland to incarceration, for Dublio where he then was. He (Mr. while he himself wantoos and luxuriates in so Maca ulay), according to his station and abi- wide a field of discursive expatiation. (Hear, lities, might be reckoned one of the number bear, hear). Perhaps he conceives that he who struggled against the adverse feelings of has advanced arguments so irresistible-that the great and the buzzas of the multitude, in his dialectics are so convincing--that there is such a power of reasoning, amounting to dever bave giren utterance to language so demonstration, in his speech, that he has put entirely at variance with the opinion of the an end to all iloubt, extinguished scepticism as Member for Leeds. Tbe following is an exeffectually as the address suppresses liberty: tract from his speech, wbich does not apply closed the door on all dispute, and established exclusively to the past, but is prospective, and conviction on the basis of immutable and supplies an argument for repeal. Lord Grey deeply.founded truth. One could, however, said, on the 7. of February, 1799 (it is rehave desired that, having taken the subject io ported in page 338 of the 34th volume of band, be bad touched on some topics which Hansard)-“What I most beartily wish for appear to us not irrelevant - that he had is, a union between the two couotries. By adverted to the fiscal and moral evils of union I mean something more than a mere absenteeism, bad explained the causes word--a upion not of parliaments, but of of the misery and destitution of Ire- hearts, affections, and interests-a upion of land, bad exhibited the advantages of vigour, of ardour and zeal for the general our provincial dependence, and 'shown welfare of the British Empire. It is this speus the benefits of having the English members cies of union, and this only, that can tend to overwhelm on Irish questions the majority of increase the real streogth of the empire, and Irish members in this House: but instead of give it security against any danger. But if doing so, he delights us with an enchanting any measure, with the name only of union be allusion, derived from the Siamese Twius. proposed, and the tendency of which would be (Cheers and laughter). But while the honour-only to disupite us, to create disaffection, disable Gentleman ihus gave way to the spirit of 'rust, and jealousy, it can only tend to weaken fanciful illustration, he was upcousciously the wbole of the British Empire. Of this paoffending us with an image of our calamitous ture do I take the present measure to be. Discondition. We are indeed linked in an un- content, distrust, jealousy, and suspicion, are fortunate brotherbood; tied together with no the visible fruits of it already. If you persist in ligature through which the vital principle of it, resentment will follow, and although you international feeliug can circulate (hear, hear, should be able, which I doubt, to obtain a hear,)-bound with a reciprocity of incouve- seeming consent of the Parliament of Ireland piepce, 'aud irritated by the common incon- to the measure, yet the people of that country veniences resulting from vurjuuction.(Cheers). would wait for an opportunity of recoveriog How, then, could the honourable Member for their rights, which they will say were taken Leeds iodulge in this metaphorical mal-apro. from them by force." (Loud cheers from the pos ? At first he (Mr. Sheil) cvuld not account Irish members). Is not this prophetic? Is for it, but on application, he recollected that not this the language of a man auticipating the honourable Member had answered the repeal, and almost supporting it? How caa speech of the distingnished author of “ The this language be reconciled to the speech of Siamese Twios."His habits as a critic iuter- the Gentleman who spuke from the I'reasury fered with his political purpose, and the image bench ; and, what is far more important, to presented by the work of Mr. Bulwer was so the Speech which Lord Grey has been supmuch pressed upou bis memory, that he rushed posed to dictate to his Majesty? And what into a simile that refutes his argument, and does that Speech recommend? An entire furnishes us with the best picture of our suppression of all reasoning on the subject. melancholy condition. (Cheers). The honour. It enjoins silence. It says, not only shall you able Gentleman had referred to the favours not have repeal, but you shall not dare to deconferred on Ireland by the Whigs. (Hear mand it. The Habeas Corpus Act is to be hear). He (Mr. Sheil) was most prompt to suspended—the principles of British liberty recognise them, and, above all, to offer his are to be trampled under foot-the prerogative bomage to the vast services conferred by Lord is to be strengthened the sceptre is to be laden Grey, who had always proved himself the with iron-what was carried by corruption is devoted friend of Ireland.
to be secured by oppression ;-nay, more the Mr. O'CONNELL.-No, no !
boast of Britons--the pride of the sustainMr. Sheil. At all events, he was so at the ment-the ornament aod the prop of the discussion of the union. (Hear, bear). Charles constitution, of all that we hold valuable and Grey (aud between Lord Grey and Charles dear--the trial by jury is to be at an end. Grey there was little differeoce) opposed the (Loud cheers). Good God! Is it Lord Grey, upion. He predicted the evils that would re- just fresh from the triumph of reform, who sult from it, and almost drew a picture of the recommeods this? Oh, no!-there is, there scenes which are now passing before our must be some superior spirit of domination in eyes. So far, therefore, from disseuting from the Cabinet, who exercises a fatal ascendency, the panegyric on Lord Grey, every Irishman and is the evil genius of Ireland. (Hear, should concur in encompassing him with en-hear.) But he (Mr. Sheil) had not done with comium. What a pity it is, fur Lord Grey's appeals to the authority of Lord Grey. It sake, that the Member for Leeds is so young was pleasurable to refer to him. Lord Grey, a mao; had be been beside him in 1799, be, in the same speech says, “ Look at the hisof course, would bave urged, with convincing tory of Jrelaud, and you will find, that had it effect, all the arguments which he has ad- not been for British councils avd British in. vanced with such force, and Lord Grey would trigue, uone, or at least few of the evils which are now so much felt there would have taken spirit of sectariau exclusion ; the feelings of place, evils of which Government is the the Roman Catholics are outraged, the most parent, and which are now, made the reason fatal habits of ascendency are revived, and our for taking away all semblance of liberty from tribunals are degraded into a fáctious and exthe Irish people.” (Loud cheers from the asperating instrumentality, to carry a verdict Arish members). Let us see how far this at any cost of principle, at any bazard of resulto position answers to our present calamities and (Cheers). He fmi. Sheil) would defy contra. our crimes. How is the Government consti- diction on this head. He asserted that the tuted? There is not one Irishman in the Crown bad set aside 36 Catholics, and im• Cabinet of Ireland. The Lord Lieutenant, paogelled three juries, with 12 Protestants the Under-Secretary, the Private Secretary, in one, and 11 Protestants in each of the other the Commander of the Forces, the Adjutant-two (loud cries of hear); and whu did this? General, and, above all, the Cabinet Minister The Crown. The law-officers confessed it. who plays so inferior a part to Lord Anglesea, They claimed all the merit as their own. Is are English. In this House there is not a this supportable? Is this to be eudured? Is single native of Ireland, who represents an this cousistent with the principles professed Irish county or borough, wbo has any concern by Lord Brougham, when he presented a pe. with the affairs of his country. You have not tition of the Irish Catholics, detailing enormione single link between the Irish representaties of this sort, and when he denounced these atives of Ireland and yourselves. The late detestable practices ? And cau you wouder Member for Limerick represents Cambridge; that Ireland is in this frightful condition ? the noble Lord, the late Member for Kilo And will you repress the consequences of your kenny, represents Northampton. It may be fatal misrule with your offensive, insulting, said that the Member for Dungarvon (Mr. and tyrannical legislation ? But you have Lamb) is in office. Ireland has not the ho- measures of relief. What relief?(Loud cheers) nour of his birth. By the way, the hon. Gept. Of what kind ? The church is the question. on the hustings, remanded by the patriotic Has the Irish Secretary given way? 'Has he fishermen who returned him, declared that renounced his principles? How do he and the though he would not make the repeal pledge, noble Lord (the paymaster of the forces) sethis mind was open to conviction, and he would tle these matters between them? The one give the subject every consideration. It is to be exclaims, “ I will never allow church property presumed that the King's speech bas con- to be touched !” The other virtually voted
vinced him, and he will now consider bis en- for its confiscation in 1824. Well, how do gagement fulfilled ; and after mature official these Siamese youths now comport themselves. meditation, he will vote for the extinction of together ? Look at them, it is in truth a pleaall future debate, having arrived at a con- sant picture (loud laughter)--there they stand clusion from which all the logicians at Duo- on their four legs, as the Member for Leeds garvon can never move him. But, to revert has it (rare quadrupeds in the zoology of office), to more important matter, and putting all bound together not by the vile ligature of questions of office aside, and waiving all cir: office, but fastened in their amiable fraternity cumstances which remind us of our provincial by noble love of that country to whose benefit dependence, who is the Secretary of Ireland ? they so much contribute by their affectionate A man who was examined before a committee coalition. But how will they settle the great of this House, and declared that be knew point of former differeoce! The Member for nothing of Ireland. (Hear, hear). He is to be the Tower Hamlets sindulged in a natural cucharged with igyoraoce, and' ignorance is riosity on this subject. He asked, “When almost an offence. He is blind, and is to lead, we see the penalties, tell us, for God's sake, or rather drag, Ireland on the edge of the gulf. what is to be the relief-what will you do What sort of defence of himself did he yester- for Ireland ?" “Wait,” is the answer: and day make? Did he tell us why out of 26 Will Englishmen tarry for the redress of griev. stipendiary magistrates named by this Go: ances which they confess, and precipitate the vernment, not one Catholic was appointed ? infictiou of punishment for the madness which (Hear, hear). Did he tell us why the Govern they have themselves excited ? He had done inent gave no hint to the Irish judges (not a -yet, one word more : the speech deprecates la Saurin to Lord Norbury), but a useful civil war,at its onset, in Portugal. Englishmenl. inuendo, not to outrage the Irish Catholics by do not confine your sympathies to your allies. frustrating Catholic emancipation? But he We are your couutrymen; our blood is as presays he cannot influence the judges. What! cious as any which can be shed upon a distant when two chief judges are of his own nomipa- shore ! save, save us in the name of justice, tion. (Cheers). But wherefore did he pack of humanity, and of the obligations which you the juries at the late Clonmel Assizes? 'Has once conferred upon us, by wise and timely he answered that? How stand the
facts ? A redress of our insupportable grievances, from jury bill is promised. The Chancellor of the a war which will be worse than civil, and to Exchequer pledges himself to it. He cannot which the hoarded wrongs of centuries, and carry it; and then, in opposition to the prin- the rancours of religious hatred will lend their ciples of that bill, in violation of a solemn infernal and horrible contribution. (Cheess). pledge, the juries who try the tithe combinators are picked and chosen in the worst
SANDERS, E., Worcester, builder.
TIDSWELL, T., and T. Thorp, Cheadle, length, Mr. CORBETT for an hour and a Chesbire, calico-printers. quarter, and then followed Sir Robert Peel in a speech of two hours' length. There is not time for more than this
Tuesday, Feb. 5, 1833. slight mention of the speeches. The
INSOLVENT. House again adjourned, as many more RICHMOND, C., John-street, Adelphi, coalgentlemen showed a desire to speak merchant. upon this question. An attempt was made to come to a division ; but no
BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED. division took place, except on the mo- LEE, W., Arundel-street, Strand, commis
sion-agent. tion whether there should be the ad- POWER, R.J.W., Havant, Hants, fellmonger. journment, which being carried in the SHAW, J., Great St. Helen's, general dealer. affirmative, Mr. O'CONNELL was pre
BANKRUPTS. pared to move again, and then the House consented to adjourn.
ALDERSON, R., Crawford-st., Marybonne,
linen-draper. CHANNING, J., North Petherton, Somerset
CLAYTON, W.,Cheapside, carpet-warehouseTO MY READERS.
CONSTANTINE, S., Sheffield, cutler.
EARLL, W., Birmingham, victualler, I was mistaken about the mode of FREEMAN, J. jun., Drayton, Somersetshire, sending up petitions. If left open at FURNESS, M., Great Longstone, Derbyshire, both ends, a parcel containing a petition,
cheese-factor. .and directed to any member of Parlia- LANCE, W., Lewisham, victualler. ment, at the House of Commons, it will PARNELL, T., Manchester, laceman. come free of postage to such member. WOOD,J.,Austonley, Yorkshire, cloth-manuf,
FRIDAY, FEB. 1, 1833.
MARK-LANE, CORN-EXCHANGE, Feb. 4.BARON, J., Frome Selwood, Somersetshire, The supplies up to this morning's market innholder.
from Kent were again large, but from Essex CARELESS, W.,Charlton, Kent,cheesemonger. and Suffolk moderate. These fresh arrivals, COULTHARD, R. and T., Crown-street, however, added to the parcels left over from Finsbury, woollen-drapers.
Friday, exhibited a tolerably full show on the FLETCHER, S., Hackney-wick, blanket stands. The weather has affected the condimanufacturer.
tion of the wheats, and the samples generally FRIEND, G.,Great Charlotte-street, Lambeth, were not so even in quality as latterly. The victualler.
market was thinly attended, and the trade HAWKES, T. T., Prome Selwood, Somerset throughout ruled very dull and inactive; and shire, money-scriverer.
although there were one or two buyers from LEWIS, H. 1., Barbican, tallow-chandler. the North, yet little inclination was evinced MARTIN, E., and T. C. Barker, Regent's by them or the town millers to purchase.
park-basin, Mary bonne, coal-merehants. Good dry wheats moved slowly off band, at a RĖLFE, S. S., Bell's-buildings, Salisbury- deeline of Is. per gr., and all secondary and square, coal-merchant.
damp lots were full 28. per qr. lower, and at