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would not, however, be ready or willing to cast a censure upon parliament, for reprobating unconstitutional principles, held and started by those, who now lamented their having ever asserted them, and who were afraid and ashamed to avow, and even seemed willing to retract them; principles which, never again, he trusted, would for a moment be borne in that House, or in the country.

Mr. Burke next rose. He said, he would look the minister full in the face, and tell him that he, for one, avowed all the principles that he had ever enter tained on this subject, as did a right hon. friend of his, who was now absent, but to whom allusion had been frequently made on this subject. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer was extremely judicious, he observed, in the time of his attack; he levelled his charges against his right hon. friend (Mr. Fox) when he was absent, just as he attacked the prerogative of the Crown, when it could not defend itself. The minister, he said, had declared, that he had proposed the preliminary resolutions, solely because a claim had been set up in favour of the Prince of Wales, who was said to have a right to the Regency. Now, if that was his object, he had worded his resolution on that head so ambiguously, that a man might at the same time vote for it, and maintain the right of the Prince of Wales to the Regency: for what did that resolution declare? Why, that it was the right and duty of the two Houses of Parliament to provide for the exercise of the royal authority. Now, in a resolution so worded, there was nothing incompatible with the right of the Prince of Wales; for it was unquestionably the province of the two Houses to decide upon that right, and adjudge it to him. The definition of a right of action was, in all countries, not a right to take possession of the thing claimed, but "jus prosequendi in judicio," or a right to carry a cause before a tribunal competent to decide upon it: the two Houses, in case of the Prince's right to the Regency, were that tribunal; and without their adjudication, his Royal Highness could no more assume the exercise of his right, than a plaintiff in a court of law could put himself into possession of the lands or goods withheld by the defendant. This he said, was no shifting of ground, but a strict adherence to a principle, which he would illustrate by two cases, and, for argument sake, take the liberty of supposing.

Should the King of this country, or should the Prince of Wales, be reconciled to the church of Rome, which would induce the forfeiture of his right to the Crown, and vest it immediately in the next heir, to whom it would have descended in case of the natural demise of the person so forfeiting, the right accruing to the next heir must be admitted to be positive, indisputable, clear, and distinct; and yet would any one say that the duke of York, in whom the right of the Crown would vest instantly upon the forfeiture, could take upon him the government of the country, before the two Houses of Parliament should have decided upon the fact, whether forfeiture had really been incurred, by which the right could be vested in the duke? Certainly not. Here then, would be a real, declared, and positive right in the duke, which nevertheless he could not, however, exercise but in consequence of an adjudication in parliament. In such a case, might not a man say it was the right and the duty of the two Houses to provide for the safety of the government, and at the same time assert that the duke of York had a right to the Crown? Another case, which he supposed was a resignation of the Crown made by the King. In that case the Crown would descend just as if the King was actually dead: but still the Prince of Wales could not take upon him the government of the country, until the two Houses should have accepted the resig. nation, and determined that it was voluntary. Here two rights, very distinct in their natures, would be found, the right of the Prince to the Crown, and the right of parliament to adjudge it to him; and it would be absurd, indeed, to infer that, because the latter had the right of adjudication, it had also the right of adjudging it when it pleased.

But what was the doctrine of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this head? It was not only that the Prince's claim to the Regency was not well founded, but that, in point of fact, he had no more right to it than any other individual in the kingdom. A monstrous, false, perfidious, and abominable doctrine, which if once admitted to be founded in the constitution, would open a door to ambition, that would overturn the government. At the time of the Revolution, the doctrine laid down by the wisdom of our ancestors was, that the hereditary succession to the Crown was absolutely necessary for the peace of the

government, and the security of the constitution. But should those who might wish to defeat that succession, lay down this principle, that every man in the nation had as much right to the Regency as the Prince of Wales, and acting upon it, should appoint some person, not interested in the defence of the Crown, to the office of Regent during the King's incapacity, who would venture to say, that the hereditary succession to the Crown, pronounced by our ancestors to be so necessary to the security of the constiution and the happiness of the people, might not be endangered? and should the incapacity of the King last twenty or thirty years, which was very possible, who would be bold enough to assert, that the whole power of the fleet and army, of the revenue and patronage of the Crown, being in the hands of one not interested in the preservation of the hereditary succession might not in the end be completely defeated?

The people who had voted thanks to those who had supported the minister, touched upon points which they did not understand; this was the most charitable opinion he could entertain of them; for if they did understand them, they adopted language which was pregnant with mischief. They had said that the minister, by asserting the rights of the House of Commons, had maintained the rights of the empire. What did they mean by the word"empire"? Did they mean to say that Ireland, a part of the empire, was to be bound by the resolutions of the English House of Commons; and that the Irish legislature, after having asserted its independence, was bound to recieve a regent from the British parliament? The spirit of a legislature, which as independent of that of Great Britain as were the Cortes of Spain, or the States General of France, would revolt at the idea; and thus the connexion between the two countries would be endangered by a measure, the obvious tendency of which would be to sever them for ever. But perhaps it was meant that every part of the empire might choose a regent for itself: this doctrine might be carried very far indeed; for perhaps Nova Scotia, Nevis, or any part of the British empire, having a legislature of its own, might lay claim to and assert what some of the meetings in England have declared to be the rights of the empire. It might not be the intention of those who voted thanks to the majority,

to invade the independence of the legislature of Ireland, but they should take care, lest they gave countenance to a principle likely to produce as dangerous effects, as if they were to attempt to destroy the independence of Ireland, by voting a regent in this country, whom she must take because he was elected here.-If the principle maintained by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, namely, that any man had as good a right to the Regency as the Prince of Wales should be adopted by the Irish parliament, then might the Lord Mayor of Dublin instead of the Prince, be chosen Regent: or perhaps many regents might be elected, and the royal prerogatives parcelled out among them to one might be given the army, to another the church, to a third the civil list, and thus Ireland might be divided from herself;-but what would most infallibly happen, would be, that she would be separated from England. For what was it that kept two countries together, which were governed by two distinct and independent legislatures? It was unquestionably the unity of the Crown: that was the bond which kept them together; and if that was once broken by letting loose dangerous and speculative ideas of government, Ireland would be lost for ever to this country. With what eye, then, ought the nation to look upon those, who by their abominable doctrines, exposed the empire to such a calamity. He trusted that the good sense of Ireland would make her reject these new-fangled doctrines, and vote the Regency to the Prince to whom it of right belonged, and from whom it could not be withheld without danger to the happiness and connexion of the two kingdoms.

Mr. Burke observed, that the plan now proposed was to adopt what deserved a worse name than a phantom-they were going to create Milton's monster of sin and death, death to the constitution, and sin to the feelings of the country. They were going to steal the Great Seal, to commit a forgery and fraud, and to support violence. If the House wished to preserve unity in the empire, they ought to appoint a person to represent the King who was interested in the empire; they ought to trust, upon his word, the Prince of Wales whom hereafter they must trust without; and thus, they would save their country, and none would suffer but ambitious men. Mr. Burke urged the argument of delay, and said that the Convention Parliament, in the year 1688 sat on

pacity, had not indeed, been made a matter of regular claim, avowed on the part of his Royal Highness, but it had been urged by a member of that House, who from his extraordinary abilities and weight in the country, certainly drew great attention on every thing which fell from him, and enabled whatever he said, especially respecting his Royal Highness, in whose confidence he was supposed to stand high, to make a considerable degree of impression. Mr Rolle added that it gave him great pleasure to hear that his Royal Highness had declared his willingness to accept the Regency on the terms proposed. There had occurred one circumstance, however, since the signification of his Royal Highness's answer had been given, which he was sorry for, and which, he feared, would cause uneasiness in the country; and that was, a certain secession which had taken place. He meant the circumstance of the Prince of Wales and the other Royal Dukes having desired that their names might be omitted in the present commission.

the 26th of December, and on the 12th of | January had completed all their objects, finishing the whole in sixteen days. He contended that the House had no right to authorize the Lord Chancellor to put the Great Seal to forgery, fraud, and violence, and that giving them the form of the royal authority, instead of the substance, was to give them the sweepings of the cobwebs in Westminster-hall, and the smoke of the dish. The danger which had been talked of, if they were to address the Prince of Wales to take the Regency upon him, reminded him of the giant who used to swallow a dozen windmills for a breakfast every morning, and was afterwards choaked by a small bit of butter in the month of July. In the present instance, the commission was said to be, in form, an act of the Crown, and in substance an act of the two Houses. There never was a precedent in this country, where the two Houses took upon themselves to exercise the legislative authority of the Crown. Necessity, he observed, had been generally termed the tyrant's plea; but, strange to tell, it was now considered as the guardian of our liberties. Mr. Burke insisted that the Committee ought, in the present instance, to act liberally and fairly, and to trust the Prince upon his word, solemnly given in his answer to the addresses of both Houses, since hereafter they must trust him without professions. A confidence of this nature would give them union, would give them liberty, would give them peace.

Mr. Rolle rose to rescue the meetings in the west of England from the censure indirectly cast upon them, by the noble. lord in the blue ribband. The meeting in the county of Devon had resolved to return thanks to his right hon. friend for having asserted the right of the two Houses to provide for the exercise of the royal authority, during the incapacity of his Majesty, and brought that question to a decision, in contradiction to the right asserted by a right hon. gentleman, not then present, to exist in the Prince of Wales to assume the exercise of that authority, whilst his Majesty's illness continued. The question of the right of the two Houses to provide for the defect in the exercise of the royal authority, had not been, as it was affirmed, unnecessarily brought forward, or upon light grounds. The assertion of the right of the Prince of Wales to assume the exercise of the royal authority during his farther's inca[VOL. XXVII.]

Sir James Johnstone said, that if he found any thing objectionable in the wording of the commission, it was, that it was not strong enough. It stated, that the Lord Chancellor be directed to put the Great Seal to the commission resolved upon. He thought that the Lord Chancellor ought to be commanded to put the Great Seal to such a commission. The occasion justified the exertion of authority, and the Lord Chancellor dared not refuse the command of the two Houses of Parliament.

Mr. Sheridan rose merely in consequence of what had fallen from Mr. Rolle. He denied that Mr. Fox had ever asserted the Prince of Wales's right to assume the exercise of the royal authority, without the consent of the two Houses of Parliament. The question of right was, therefore, unnecessarily agitated because the doctrine of the Houses having a right to provide for the defect in the exercise of the royal authority-had never been denied. With regard to his right hon. friend standing high in the confidence of the Prince of Wales, the fact undoubtedly was, that his right hon. friend stood higher in the opinion of his Royal Highness than any other person; and the reason was, that his Royal Highness reposed the greatest confidence where he found the greatest merit. Of the secession to which the hon. gentleman had alluded, [4 E]

principles repugnant to those contained in a protest, which the Duke of York had subscribed and recognized.

Mr. Powys said, that the Committee had had a great number of precedents submitted to them, on which, in the early stage of the business, much reliance had been placed; but, they had all been abandoned, and two new precedents, not stated in the Report were now chiefly relied on. But in the case of both, there had been a king upon the throne, incapable, from illness, indeed, of meeting his parliament, but capable of judging and deciding upon every proceeding of government necessary to be taken. He enlarged on the distinction between general powers so given by an existing, competent authority, and general powers given by a fictitious and unreal phantom. To open a parliament, there must exist a person capable of authorizing the act, either the king himself or the king's representative. In the present case, there would be neither.

the reason was obvious. It was extraor-known in law, was clearly illegal. If they dinary, that the minister should have addressed the Prince to take upon him the been with the Prince of Wales the day Regency, he could not be Regent, but by before the commission had been proposed some such fiction as that now proposed to in the other House, and that he should be resorted to. In the course of the prenot have consulted his Royal Highness, sent debate, the statutes referred to, as whether it was agreeable to him or to his bearing upon the question, were the 33d royal brother and uncles, to have their of Henry 8, the Act of Charles 2, and the names inserted in a commission issued on Act of the 1st of Queen Mary; each of which pointed two ways; but, if it was contended, that those were negative statutes, he begged leave to ask how they were to appoint a regent at all? He denied it to be possible; because the consent of the Crown must be obtained, to the act; and it was well known that his Majesty could not signify his consent in person, neither could he put his sign manual to a commission. The only mode of obtaining the King's consent, was by putting the Great Seal to the commission for passing it, and making it a public act. If it was so authorized, that rendered it a public act; and if, upon the face of it, it expressed that it passed by the consent of the King, Lords, and Commons, the judges of the land could not dispute it. The Great Seal, once put to it, gave it all the authority of law, and no inquiry could be instituted as to the mode of its having been passed. If letters patent passed without the King's warrant having been previously granted, yet having the Great The Solicitor General begged leave Seal annexed to them, however criminal to explain to the Committee, why he it might be in the person who should take advised them to order the commission, upon himself to put the Great Seal to now moved for, to be issued under the those letters patent, they would prove of Great Seal, and why it would be right full force, and bind the King himself, alafterwards to put the Great Seal to an- though it might be known that his Majesty other commission, in order to give the had not granted his warrant for making royal assent to the bill appointing a re-out such letters patent.-Sir John remarkgent. He was glad that it had not been said in that House, that such a mode of proceeding was not legal. No man had ventured to make such a declaration; nor could any man have dared to have done it, who knew the law and the constitution of the country. When he had formerly troubled the House, the Committee would recollect that he had stated, that a regent could not be appointed but by an act of parliament, and, in order to pass that act, there must necessarily be a commission issued under the Great Seal to open the parliament, and a subsequent commission to give the royal assent to such bill as should be passed by the two Houses. "That was the legal mode of proceeding; the other, that of addressing the Prince to take upon him the Regency, a term un

ed, that they were then discussing no question of politics, no question of party; they were all agreed as to the object; their sole object was to make the Prince of Wales regent, on the terms of the resolutions. The only difference of opinion was, which were the most safe, legal, and constitutional means of attaining their common object. He must contend, that the mode proposed in the resolution was the only legal mode. Those who recommended the other mode of addressing the Prince to accept the Regency, perhaps were not aware, that the Prince must, in that case, take upon himself to represent the King in the House of Lords, or if it were to give his consent to the Regency Bill, he must consent to appoint himself Regent: a

kind of conduct, which could not but all the precedents our history afforded. draw down questions of his authority, He had not, he was free to acknowledge, and expose him to future difficulty, with all his application to the subject, Different were the degrees of weight been able to satisfy himself what had and sanction, which must necessarily at- been the actual fact, with regard to the tend the Prince's appointment, when that commissions issued under the Great Seal appointment had the authority of a for- in the early part of the reign of Henry 6; mal act of parliament, passed avowedly but of this he was certain, that many of with the consent of King, Lords, and them neither had, nor could have, the Commons. Ridicule had been lavishly king's sign manual affixed to them; and cast upon the mode proposed because it yet, some of the soundest and most saluwas deemed a legal fiction. There were, tary acts on our Statute Book had passed he said, many wholesome fictions of the during that period.-He could not but law, the best security, even of the private observe, that those persons who were rights of the subject, arose from some willing to give away the rights of the of those fictions of the law. The present King without scruple, and to invest the might be called a wholesome fiction, Prince with all the royal authority, in the inasmuch as it saved the constitution lifetime and during the reign of his father, from danger, and proved that so admi- seemed to think only of the case of inrably constructed was that constitution, fancy. When he had spoken of the althat it contained in itself a provision for legiance he owed to his sovereign, it cases of the greatest emergency. But it had been ridiculed under the idea, that was said, that the mode proposed went it was idle to boast of allegiance to him, beyond the necessity of the case. He who was incapable of affording protection. had, on a former debate, taken the liberty To those who pleased themselves with of laying it down as a maxim, that the that species of reasoning, he would say, power which necessity creates, necessity if the intended Regent was to leave a limits. He should adhere to that position, child, an infant of six months, how would and, in adhering to it, contend, that the he like such a doctrine to be then insisted proposed mode of ordering a commission upon? The present commission express under the Great Seal, and afterwards an- ed, that it was made by consent of both other commission to give the King's assent Houses of Parliament; therefore, upon to the bill, did not exceed the necessity the face of it, it stated the case to which of the case, but that the proposition of he referred. As the bill was merely to addressing the Prince, to take upon him- constitute a regent, it was quite a matter self the Regency, did go far beyond it. of indifference, whether it was passed by When the House contended, that it was one person or another, so long as it passed their right and duty to provide for sup- in the name of the King upon the throne. plying the defect of the royal authority-Sir John adverted to the precedents in they clearly meant to empower themselves to order the commission under the Great Seal, now proposed to be issued. He declared that it appeared to him ridiculous, to exclude the Prince from his situation as a peer in the House of Lords in order to make him act as a king. He desired not to be understood, as abandoning the precedents on their table. He relied on the precedent in the early part of the reign of Henry 6. In that reign, there were as great lawyers as lived in this day, or as would live, probably, in the time to come; there were also in that reign, some of that description of persons, who might, properly speaking, be termed usurpers; but both descriptions, the latter as well as the former, he well knew, in all things wished to have the sanction of law, for every one of their proceedings. It had been his duty to inform himself fully of

the reign of George 2, when lord Hardwicke had, in 1754 put the Great Seal to two commissions, one containing general powers granted to certain commissioners to hold a parliament, the other to give the royal assent to the single bill which had passed in that parliament; a bill of naturalization. He compared these two commissions with the commission then under consideration, and that which it would be necessary to issue when the bill should have passed the two Houses, and be ready for the royal assent. Lord Hardwicke, he said, appeared to him to have entertained doubts, whether the general powers conveyed by the first commission, were sufficient to authorize those commissioners to give the royal assent to the bill which afterwards passed; and he collected, that lord Hardwicke had entertained such doubts, from the circum

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